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Legolas vs a "serious orc?"
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boldog
Rohan


Jun 30 2013, 2:17am

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Legolas vs a "serious orc?" Can't Post

I just read the video description for Orlando Blooms farewell, and it mentions that he spent 12 hours fighting a serious orc. Now that's a major spoiler!
But all that was in my head was who is this orc and why is Legolas fighting him? There are only two serious orcs in these films and that is Azog and Bolg. My first thought was that he could be fighting one of them. But why? I thought these two were booked out in their one on one fights, and now Legolas is to fight one!? What if it is another orc that Jackson made up, like Narzug, or Fimbul? either way im not disappointed, I like the idea, but what are your thoughts on this?

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Lio
Lorien


Jun 30 2013, 2:33am

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Maybe there will be another major Orc character? [In reply to] Can't Post

Like you said, Azog and Bolg already have their own nemeses and I don't see why/how Legolas could fight either of them. (Unless it's a brief encounter that breaks off before either character is defeated).

But perhaps they will introduce another main Orc in the third movie, kind of like Gothmog was in RotK? Now before anyone starts saying that we don't need another Orc, I do think it might make sense from a filmmaking point of view. There will be many well developed characters on the good side, but other than Azog and Bolg most of the Orcs so far have been rather faceless. I think another villain might balance things out, although he won't be as important as Azog/Bolg. (Again, think Gothmog.)

And I just had another thought. There's been a lot of speculation that Tauriel will be killed, so maybe Legolas will battle her slayer? (Not sure if such a turn of events would be a great idea considering all the other things going on in the battle, but I just wanted to add to the speculation. Tongue)

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TheCoon
Lorien

Jun 30 2013, 3:05am

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im tired of serious orcs [In reply to] Can't Post

i need a funny one i wonder what robin williams is doing right now or mayb ryan Reynolds

lol couldn't resist

:)


as far as the actual subject goes gothmog was a badass so yeah but azog or bolg would be cool too specifically azog

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The Mitch King
Rohan


Jun 30 2013, 3:23am

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What does serious mean? [In reply to] Can't Post

Big, strong, mean, angry, upset, just plain serious, evil, assertive, coarse, unfriendly or just a jerk???


Yngwulff
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Jun 30 2013, 3:48am

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Big, strong, mean, angry, upset, just plain serious, evil, assertive, coarse, unfriendly or just a jerk???



In the context I think serious refers to a deadly foe trying to kill him ....


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Silverlode
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Jun 30 2013, 4:58am

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Tra-la-lally Elves and Comic Orcs? [In reply to] Can't Post

The Goblin King wasn't enough unseriousness for you? You want more orc silliness?

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I'm thinking that since they just said "serious orc" and not Azog, it's probably Bolg, or perhaps another "hero" orc lieutenant who comes with.

Silverlode

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The Mitch King
Rohan


Jun 30 2013, 5:04am

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In the context I think serious refers to a deadly foe trying to kill him ....


You "think" Wink

So by serious PJ means a normal orc then. Aren't all orcs deadly foes trying to kill their enemies? No reason to think it is an important orc. Not that you said it was.


Silverlode
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Jun 30 2013, 5:14am

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I took "serious" to mean [In reply to] Can't Post

Legolas' equivalent in the opposing forces, as distinct from a cannon-fodder orc that our heroes merely slash their way through in large numbers. Somebody who will be more of a match for him, if not quite his equal. So "serious" would mean an orc that is unusually large, mean, and ugly and stands out among the hordes so as to give some illusion of peril for Legolas.

Silverlode

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The Mitch King
Rohan


Jun 30 2013, 5:25am

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I like this definition [In reply to] Can't Post


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Legolas' equivalent in the opposing forces, as distinct from a cannon-fodder orc that our heroes merely slash their way through in large numbers. Somebody who will be more of a match for him, if not quite his equal. So "serious" would mean an orc that is unusually large, mean, and ugly and stands out among the hordes so as to give some illusion of peril for Legolas.


So the interesting question is, based on what we know so far, do any of the orcs we know of seem likely to end up fighting Legolas? Azog would seem like a no and Bolg seems unlikely too(but not 100% out of the question). Maybe in the build up to the battle(or rallying of the troops if you will) another big or perhaps smart orc will be introduced. One from Gundabad or perhaps an orc seizing rule over the goblins of the Misty Mountains?? I quite like the idea of a group of smart/mighty orcs planning and leading a large evil force. The good guys have some impressive leaders so why not have some evil ones too? There was a rumor that the Necromancer himself might be involved in some way.


(This post was edited by The Mitch King on Jun 30 2013, 5:33am)


The Mitch King
Rohan


Jun 30 2013, 5:31am

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When Legolas can put an arrow between someone's eyes with ease, take down an oliphant and it's riders, ride on shields etc etc what orc could possibly give him more than two seconds of trouble?? I think PJ didn't really mean anything by it and we are too hungry for more spoilers and big reveals.


Yngwulff
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Jun 30 2013, 5:33am

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Big, strong, mean, angry, upset, just plain serious, evil, assertive, coarse, unfriendly or just a jerk???



In the context I think serious refers to a deadly foe trying to kill him ....


You "think" Wink

So by serious PJ means a normal orc then. Aren't all orcs deadly foes trying to kill their enemies? No reason to think it is an important orc. Not that you said it was.



As in like the old gangster type films a "serious customer" which meant that person was not a commonplace type but a player or a tough guy, and now that you mention it I do think it will be a very tough goblin. I do hope it will not be a replay of Aragorn fighting the Uruk hai chieftain.


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The Mitch King
Rohan


Jun 30 2013, 5:35am

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Are there tough goblins though? [In reply to] Can't Post

At least tough enough for Legolas the oliphant slayer?


Yngwulff
Gondor


Jun 30 2013, 5:38am

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Soitenly [In reply to] Can't Post

Bolg's Bodyguard ring a bell? Big and bad ect ....


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The Mitch King
Rohan


Jun 30 2013, 6:31am

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I was forgetting about those big and nasty bodyguards!!! We just were never sure if they would expand on that small line or two where they are mentioned. It's a good theory but I still have suspicion we may be putting too much into a simple quote.


Silverlode
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Jun 30 2013, 7:41am

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Since they're going to have Legolas in the battle and give him new stunts to do, they have to come up with an enemy/situation in which those stunts can work. My guess would be an orc leader of some kind, large enough to pose a threat. It doesn't have to be one of the named orcs, though it may be, and it doesn't mean Legolas is going to be the only one with a major fight on his hands. There must be more than one leader in a large orc army, and I'm sure there will be some left when he's done; other people have to have something to do too. Tongue

I expect a long battle taking up a substantial amount of the third movie, so there will be time for all our main characters to figure in somehow. Legolas will be one of several characters we are following through the battle, in addition to Thorin (and the other dwarves), Bilbo, Gandalf, Thranduil, Bard, and sooner or later, Beorn.

I'm not making anything more of it than this: Legolas fights a big, bad leader-type orc. I would have been surprised if he didn't.

Silverlode

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dormouse
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Jun 30 2013, 7:50am

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Seen from the orcish point of view, Legolas is a target because he's the King's son. In a battle, you aim for the leader/s of the opposing side.


malickfan
Gondor


Jun 30 2013, 8:16am

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RE: Gothmog (Possible Spoilers) [In reply to] Can't Post

Many months back, (unless someone is playing tricks on me) someone posted a pic of Gothmog being dressed on the hobbit set (I believe he was lined to the Dol Goldur scenes), so it is highly likely he will be in the third film-it would be totally non-canon, but in the films it would be cool to see a orc leader in both trilogies.

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DanielLB
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Jun 30 2013, 8:44am

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I think it ended up just being a coincidence [In reply to] Can't Post

Earl made this thread, and I think it's the same one you mean. It could be Yazneg, looking at screencaps.

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Kirly
Lorien


Jun 30 2013, 5:01pm

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Perhaps you forget [In reply to] Can't Post

that from Legolas' perspective, none of that has happened yet. Perhaps he doesn't even yet realize his own abilities; working his way up to the feats we see decades later in LOTR.

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Jun 30 2013, 8:25pm

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a serious orc means [In reply to] Can't Post

 
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apariel
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Jun 30 2013, 10:13pm

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Bolg? [In reply to] Can't Post

I read about "Bolg" a few time - but - sorry - I don't know, who this is. Maybe someone could fill me in? It is not short form of Balrog? Is it?
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Eye's on Guard
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Jun 30 2013, 10:29pm

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Bolg is the son of Azog [In reply to] Can't Post

He is the leader of the orc army at the Battle of Five Armies in the book. Gandalf alerts Dain that the orcs are coming by saying that Bolg, whose father (Azog) Dain slew in Moria, is upon him. However, Peter Jackson has kept Azog alive and he may well replace Bolg as the primary orc leader at the BoFA in There and Back Again.

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TheCoon
Lorien

Jul 1 2013, 12:41am

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as much of a toliken diehard i am [In reply to] Can't Post

im all for the return of gothmog!!!!

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Elthir
Gondor

Jul 1 2013, 1:29pm

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I just read the video description for Orlando Blooms farewell, and it mentions that he spent 12 hours fighting a serious orc.




Pff. The real Legolas could kill an orc much quicker than that. Yeesh.


Rostron2
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Jul 1 2013, 4:16pm

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Must have been [In reply to] Can't Post

Ryan Gosling in makeup. He's the king of stoic and serious.

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