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SCOD: "The Battle for Helm's Deep is over. The Battle for Middle-earth is about to begin."

Radagast-Aiwendil
Gondor


Jun 27 2013, 8:51pm

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For this SCOD I thought I'd give you one of film Gandalf's most memorable lines to muse over.

1. How would you rate this line on a scale of 1 to 5 (5 being excellent, 1 being terrible)? Do you think it was a good line to prepare non-book readers for what is to come?

2. How does the following shot of Mordor make you feel? Does it foreshadow both the events of RotK and the final shot of the film?

3. How would you rate the reactions of the background characters in this scene? (i.e. Theoden, Legolas, Aragorn etc).

4. Does the line help to emphasise/to remind you of the fact that this Gandalf is a much more serious character than his grey predecessor?

5. Any other thoughts/comments?

Bonus Question (for my benefit, lol) I am pretty sure that the person riding the horse on the far left of the shot (next to Theoden) is NOT Karl Urban but a double posing as Eomer. Am I correct/incorrect?

"All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given to us."-Gandalf


sevilodorf
Gondor


Jun 27 2013, 9:32pm

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It is a double... if I recall this was a pick up shot and Karl was no longer on set.

As for the line.... it's more a reminder for the regular (as opposed to the FANatic) moviegoer that there is going to be another movie. I still remember walking out of Fellowship behind someone saying.... "That wasn't a very good ending. Don't they win?"

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Rostron2
Gondor


Jun 28 2013, 5:31pm

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1. How would you rate this line on a scale of 1 to 5 (5 being excellent, 1 being terrible)? Do you think it was a good line to prepare non-book readers for what is to come?

I give it about a 4. It's more of a preparation line for the next film than a "profound Gandalf" line for me. It works well enough.



2. How does the following shot of Mordor make you feel? Does it foreshadow both the events of RotK and the final shot of the film?

That was the real payoff for the line delivery, agreed. Let's not forget the hobbits and the real enemy...

3. How would you rate the reactions of the background characters in this scene? (i.e. Theoden, Legolas, Aragorn etc).

They are throwing their focus to the East, which is appropriate

4. Does the line help to emphasise/to remind you of the fact that this Gandalf is a much more serious character than his grey predecessor?

Yes. He's certainly now proven to be a key leader instead of just a 'field agent' Istari.

5. Any other thoughts/comments?

One of the key complaints (and not one I ever agreed with) was that there were so many threads to follow in TTT. However, what was done really effectively was the tying together of those Frodo/Sam - Ents - Gandalf & Co. narratives. I thought it was really well done with Sam's narration prior to this.



Darkstone
Immortal


Jun 28 2013, 10:00pm

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1. How would you rate this line on a scale of 1 to 5 (5 being excellent, 1 being terrible)?

5


Do you think it was a good line to prepare non-book readers for what is to come?

Sure.


2. How does the following shot of Mordor make you feel?

Hyped.


Does it foreshadow both the events of RotK and the final shot of the film?

From the book:

The others too now turned their eyes eastward. Over the sundering leagues of land, far away they gazed to the edge of sight, and hope and fear bore their thoughts still on, beyond dark mountains to the Land of Shadow. Where now was the Ring-bearer? How thin indeed was the thread upon which doom still hung! It seemed to Legolas, as he strained his farseeing eyes, that he caught a glint of white: far away perchance the sun twinkled on a pinnacle of the Tower of Guard. And further still, endlessly remote and yet a present threat, there was a tiny tongue of flame.


3. How would you rate the reactions of the background characters in this scene? (i.e. Theoden, Legolas, Aragorn etc).

Not quite on a par on Spielberg's patented "People looking at things off screen", aka "The Spielberg Face", but hey, The Beard is a master and Jackson was just starting out.


4. Does the line help to emphasise/to remind you of the fact that this Gandalf is a much more serious character than his grey predecessor?

Plus he has much better eyesight.


5. Any other thoughts/comments?

On a clear day you can see forever! (At least in Middle-earth.)


Bonus Question (for my benefit, lol) I am pretty sure that the person riding the horse on the far left of the shot (next to Theoden) is NOT Karl Urban but a double posing as Eomer. Am I correct/incorrect?

According to the commentaries, he's the fourth lieutenant of the Second Company, B Division of the Mark. His name is George. New Line was going to do a TV series spin-off with him. His appearance in the movie was to establish him as a character. Haven’t heard anything more since Peter Jackson let that little tidbit slip, though.

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Brothers, sisters,
I was Elf once.
We danced together
Under the Two Trees.
We sang as the soft gold of Laurelin
And the bright silver of Telperion,
Brought forth the dawn of the world.
Then I was taken.

Brothers, sisters,
In my torment I kept faith,
And I waited.
But you never came.
And when I returned you drew sword,
And when I called your names you drew bow.
Was my Eldar beauty all,
And my soul nothing?

So be it.
I will return your hatred.
And I am hungry.


willowing
Lorien

Jun 29 2013, 1:06pm

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1. How would you rate this line on a scale of 1 to 5 (5 being excellent, 1 being terrible)? Do you think it was a good line to prepare non-book readers for what is to come?

Rating scale-4.5 for originality

This quote is made by Gandalf as he and Pippin stand on the Balcony in the city of Minas Tirith as they witness a flame of light shoot up into the upper atmosphere from Mordor.

I was a non reader of the book when I first saw the movie and thought that Minas Tirith/Gondor was Middle Earth.

Land of Gondor, gateway to what is left of all that is good in Middle Earth. The Shire, Eriador, Lothlorien, Rivendell, Hobbiton, Helm's Deep, Grey Havens, Fangorn, Mirkwood, Rohan, Edoras, The Misty Mountains and the list goes on. All Located west of Mordor and all non aligned to its influence.


2. How does the following shot of Mordor make you feel?

Glad to be in the sunlight.

Does it foreshadow both the events of RotK and the final shot of the film?

There were other factors as well leading to events in ROTK
The influence of Mordor in the regions of the North, East and South was growing
The destruction at Isengard
The failure to capture Helm's Deep
The Ring

3. How would you rate the reactions of the background characters in this scene? (i.e. Theoden, Legolas, Aragorn etc).

Aragorn-Thoughtful and well aware of his history, so not a man to back away.
Théoden-hesitant at first "if I don't return" I think was the words he spoke to Eowyn
Legolas-Very alert.
Gandalf-senses the time is near.

4. Does the line help to emphasise/to remind you of the fact that this Gandalf is a much more serious character than his grey predecessor?

Gandalf The Grey had more time to play-firework preparations for friends birthday parties, trips abroad, visiting friends and always on the lookout for anything amiss in Middle Earth, this came more apparent as his stance began to take on a more bent and aged look.

A new adventure would be the turning point for his change in appearance.


5. Any other thoughts/comments?

Bonus Question (for my benefit, lol) I am pretty sure that the person riding the horse on the far left of the shot (next to Theoden) is NOT Karl Urban but a double posing as Eomer. Am I correct/incorrect?



"All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given to us."-Gandalf



Loresilme
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Jul 5 2013, 12:58pm

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For this SCOD I thought I'd give you one of film Gandalf's most memorable lines to muse over.

1. How would you rate this line on a scale of 1 to 5 (5 being excellent, 1 being terrible)? Do you think it was a good line to prepare non-book readers for what is to come?
As a movie-firster, I didn't really 'get' the reference. To me, at that time, it was all Middle-earth. What it did provide me with was the general understanding, 'if you thought that was brutal, you haven't seen anything yet' :-).

2. How does the following shot of Mordor make you feel? Does it foreshadow both the events of RotK and the final shot of the film?
It does serve to keep everyone focused on the ultimate destination of the story, heading toward doom, the heart of darkness, that type of imagery. They're on a frightening path and they just keep bravely moving towards it.

3. How would you rate the reactions of the background characters in this scene? (i.e. Theoden, Legolas, Aragorn etc).
They look as exhausted and shell-shocked as I'd imagine they'd feel after that battle. And so inured to it all that the idea of another battle, even bigger, doesn't even faze them.

4. Does the line help to emphasise/to remind you of the fact that this Gandalf is a much more serious character than his grey predecessor?
Yes as a wizard he's able to explain the big picture, beyond what they are aware of.

5. Any other thoughts/comments?
I wish I had a wizard to help explain the big picture to me too :-).

Bonus Question (for my benefit, lol) I am pretty sure that the person riding the horse on the far left of the shot (next to Theoden) is NOT Karl Urban but a double posing as Eomer. Am I correct/incorrect?
Yes. Guess they weren't kidding when they talked about how rushed they were in production!




Elenorflower
Gondor


Jul 9 2013, 9:46pm

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I just noticed for the first time that Shadowfax has no bridle.

 
 

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