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Speculating on Thranduil and 'white gems' in the AUJ: EE

Shagrat
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Jun 25 2013, 1:31pm


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So in the latest issue of Empire PJ confirmed some additions to the prologue of AUJ in the EE, including the following:

"There are also some issues with Thranduil," adds Jackson. "We get some of the reasons why he and the dwarves had a falling out - to do with these white gems..." We we learn, from the Elves' perspective, why they didn't come to the Dwarves' aid."


The obvious cue for this would be a certain passage from The Hobbit:

"It was also the dungeon of his prisoners. So to the cave they dragged Thorin-not too gently, for they did not love dwarves, and thought he was an enemy. In ancient days they had had wars with some of the dwarves, whom they accused of stealing their treasure. It is only fair to say that the dwarves gave a different account, and said that they only took what was their due, for the elf-king had bargained with them to shape his raw gold and silver, and had afterwards refused to give them their pay. If the elf-king had a weakness it was for treasure, especially for silver and white gems; and though his hoard was rich, he was ever eager for more, since he had not yet as great a treasure as other elf-lords of old. His people neither mined nor worked metals or jewels, nor did they bother much with trade or with tilling the earth. All this was well known to every dwarf, though Thorins family had had nothing to do with the old quarrel I have spoken of. Consequently Thorin was angry at their treatment of him, when they took their spell off him and he came to his senses; and also he was determined that no word of gold or jewels should be dragged out of him."


Now the 'elf-king' in question is usually assumed to be Thingol, and the treasure in question the Nauglamir (among other things). But I can't see how Jackson could realistically squeeze these events into the prologue. Given that he specifically mentions a falling out between Thranduil and the Dwarves, it seems that we will see Thranduil request some kind of object to be made, and Thror, perhaps in his madness, to keep it. Hence Thranduil's resentment and refusal to come to the Dwarves' aid.

What would people think of such a plot device?

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Speculating on Thranduil and 'white gems' in the AUJ: EE Shagrat Send a private message to Shagrat Jun 25 2013, 1:31pm
    You're on to something, I think. DanielLB Send a private message to DanielLB Jun 25 2013, 1:42pm
        Great spot Shagrat Send a private message to Shagrat Jun 25 2013, 1:52pm
            Why? arithmancer Send a private message to arithmancer Jun 25 2013, 5:12pm
                Well Pj said that Ffnir Send a private message to Ffnir Jun 25 2013, 5:25pm
                    Yes, that is what Jackson said. *spoilers for book* arithmancer Send a private message to arithmancer Jun 25 2013, 5:49pm
                        Just to clarify Shagrat Send a private message to Shagrat Jun 25 2013, 6:01pm
                            I can be slow on the uptake! arithmancer Send a private message to arithmancer Jun 25 2013, 6:10pm
                What Fafnir said Shagrat Send a private message to Shagrat Jun 25 2013, 5:39pm
                    Oh? arithmancer Send a private message to arithmancer Jun 25 2013, 6:06pm
                        That would work ! And more Ffnir Send a private message to Ffnir Jun 25 2013, 6:16pm
                        I think at last we understood one another! Shagrat Send a private message to Shagrat Jun 25 2013, 6:33pm
        Interesting theory... Elwen Send a private message to Elwen Jun 26 2013, 2:58pm
    Concur dave_lf Send a private message to dave_lf Jun 25 2013, 1:45pm
    Makes sense Rostron2 Send a private message to Rostron2 Jun 25 2013, 6:34pm
    Point of views FiliSonOfDis Send a private message to FiliSonOfDis Jun 27 2013, 8:26pm
    Thingol or not Thingol? Otaku-sempai Send a private message to Otaku-sempai Jun 27 2013, 10:58pm

 
 
 

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