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AUJ - More Likeable in Extended?
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Jun 19 2013, 12:45am

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AUJ - More Likeable in Extended? Can't Post

Greetings, fellow Tolkien fans. I rather enjoyed AUJ as much as the next hobbit, but I also recognize where a lot of fan criticism comes from. I try my best to look past a lot of the things that folks commonly cite as being a downside - the CGI, Radagast, Azog, etc.

I loved the movie as a whole, but I suppose my point is: do you think that the Extended Edition will flesh out a lot of this more and make the film a lot more understandable and likeable for some fans? More time will be spent on this or that so that some scenes don't seem so out of place, or the film will sit better overall?

I was not a huge Tolkien fanatic as I am now when the LotR trilogy came out, so I don't have a point of reference to compare the theatrical to extended editions of that trilogy. Thoughts?

Grey Havens

Jun 19 2013, 12:50am

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If The Lord of the Rings extended versions are any indication, The Hobbit extended version will be quite likely very much enjoyable for all fans. Even more enjoyable.

Especially anticipated may be more Rivendell for Bilbo to fall in love with - something the theatrical release really failed at including.

Let's just hope they don't depart so far from Tolkien's The Hobbit as the scene with the Witch-king breaking Gandalf's staff in The Lord of the Rings. Do Peter & Company actually learn from past mistakes or insist on marching on with more of the same? Time will tell.

(This post was edited by JWPlatt on Jun 19 2013, 12:54am)

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Tol Eressea

Jun 19 2013, 1:03am

Post #3 of 60 (932 views)
I really do think so... [In reply to] Can't Post

While I do think the film is too long for it's content (first six chapters plus expanded material), I do think the film could benefit A LOT from more character development. Fleshing out the dwarves would go along way to making the viewer more invested emotionally in the film. I'm also really looking forward to Bilbo's scene with Elrond in Rivendell. Judging by his lingering look upon leaving Rivendell, and later conversation with Bofur, I feel like we're missing an important linking piece for Bilbo's character development in the film.

I think such added material could actually make the film feel shorter (as was the case IMO with the EEs of LotR).

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Jun 19 2013, 1:49am

Post #4 of 60 (850 views)
It really depends. [In reply to] Can't Post

Because it was a mix with the LOTR films.

FOTR's EE added some stuff that would have been helpful to have seen in the theatrical cut.

Not so much with the other two, though. With those two, it seemed to be more geeky stuff for the book readers.

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Tol Eressea

Jun 19 2013, 3:01am

Post #5 of 60 (811 views)
I'm hoping the EE improves AUJ... [In reply to] Can't Post

including more development for Bilbo and most of the Dwarves - with around an extra half-hour of material, it seems possible.

My Top 5 Wish List for "The Hobbit"
5. Legolas will surf down Smaug's neck
4. Bilbo will be revealed to a Robot
3. Naked PJ cameo as Ghan-Buri-Ghan
2. Use of not only 3D, but smell-o-vision, plus the inclusion of axes coming out of the seats and poking the audience when appropriate
1. Not only keep the claim that Thorin & Co. ran amok in Mirkwood "molesting people", but depict said incident in vivid detail!!!!!


Jun 19 2013, 4:53am

Post #6 of 60 (737 views)
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I love the TE but I think the EE will flesh out more things with Bilbo as well as the Dwarves. I just think its going to add more goodness.

The Shire

Jun 19 2013, 5:47am

Post #7 of 60 (755 views)
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that the EE will make AUJ much better as a whole... I liked AUJ, but I felt there was a lack of character development. I also felt that the movie rushed from one situation into another. We didn't spend a lot of time with Bilbo in Rivendell, nor with Bilbo in the Shire. Half an hour of extra material could help the characters come to live, could promote the transitions of different situations and give more tranquility to the movie.

Grey Havens

Jun 19 2013, 7:10am

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...I also felt that the movie rushed from one situation into another.

It's a funny thing to feel rushed through a two and three-quarter hour film in a trilogy based upon a book thinner than any of those from The Lord of the Rings. How did that happen?

Looking forward to ~25 more minutes with preferably more background and less CGI.

(This post was edited by JWPlatt on Jun 19 2013, 7:12am)

Fredeghar Wayfarer

Jun 19 2013, 9:12am

Post #9 of 60 (646 views)
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I can't say for certain, as I haven't seen it, but I don't know that the extended edition will improve AUJ. The issues that some fans had with it -- CGI, Radagast, Azog, stretching the story -- will still be present. In fact, considering how long the film already is, I feel like adding more to it will simply contribute to the fan fiction feel of the new material. A lot of the scenes that are rumored to be in the EE (the Old Took's birthday, Gandalf meeting young Bilbo, Bilbo looking at Narsil) seem unnecessary to me.

I admit that I may be being unfair. But when I heard that there would be an extended edition, I actually rolled my eyes. Stretching this fairly small book to three movies is already an extended edition, as far as I'm concerned.

Fredeghar Wayfarer

Jun 19 2013, 9:26am

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Jun 19 2013, 1:03pm

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EE simply has to be better [In reply to] Can't Post

Although it might sound paradoxical, I think that several moments in this nearly 3 hours adaption of 6 chapters seem a bit rushed to me. There are no proper scenes of Bilbo in Hobbiton (outside Bag End), Bilbo's positive relationship to Rivendell isn't explained at all (as many have mentioned already) and I would also like to see more of Radagast exploring Dol Guldur, I just loved this subplot but it was sooooo short. But I don't suppose Radagast's role will be expanded in EE, it's just my wish ;-)

Tol Eressea

Jun 19 2013, 1:17pm

Post #12 of 60 (558 views)
I'm hoping so, [In reply to] Can't Post

but i have my doubts. More character development type scenes would certainly help the film. But where i felt the film was most rushed and bloated-- everything after the company leaves Rivendell, minus Riddles in the Dark-- is not where it seems that the new extra material (young Bilbo with Gandalf, the market in Hobbiton, Bilbo and the dwarves in Rivendell, Bilbo with Elrond) is going. All those scenes sound great-- the more Bilbo the better (it is The Hobbit, after all), and more stuff with the dwarves can't hurt either. I'm just hoping that there are new scenes going into the latter part of the movie that we just haven't heard about yet, that can give the more amusement park ride-like sequences (some of my least favorite parts of the movie) a little room to breath. And please, no more Azog.


Jun 19 2013, 1:28pm

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There should be more of Goblin King and his scribe, it's been confirmed by PJ or someone from his team, I think. Many people have also speculated that there must be a speech concerning the eagles, that would be superb, I also have a feeling that Gollum's role might be expanded - as far as I can remember, not all the riddles from the book made it to the theatrical version :).

Tol Eressea

Jun 19 2013, 1:39pm

Post #14 of 60 (554 views)
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what is it that AUJ needs?

-More Bilbo especially.

-More Dwarf development.

-More Rivendell : elves, dwarves...

What else? More action? Certainly not.

More Azog? Please no...

More Radagast? Crazy

There really isnt much else that it needs added in, is there?

Actually, what i think it requires is cutting stuff out. But thats unlikely to happen...

Vous commencez à m'ennuyer avec le port!!!

Tol Eressea

Jun 19 2013, 1:41pm

Post #15 of 60 (523 views)
All that sounds good, [In reply to] Can't Post

, especially concerning the eagles. But do we really need more of the scribe? I was thinking more along the lines of more dwarf character beats, maybe even small bits of action from individual dwarfs, to give the hodge-podge mess of a battle (Goblin Town) a little more shape and focus. And i'm not talking more digital doubles-- AUJ already has way too much of that sort of thing.


Jun 19 2013, 1:44pm

Post #16 of 60 (550 views)
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I'm hoping for more Azanulbizar. Azog carving his name into Thror's head, more Thrain, and I'd love some wide shots of the fighting resembling the artwork in the Chronicles book. Obviously a glimpse of the Balrog here seems too much to ask.

Tol Eressea

Jun 19 2013, 1:46pm

Post #17 of 60 (538 views)
Yeah, is it too late to cut stuff out? [In reply to] Can't Post

The bunny sled chase... The company interacting with the stone giants... Tumbling down the Goonies slide... The falling bridge... Azog...

The film would be improved ten-fold.


Jun 19 2013, 1:53pm

Post #18 of 60 (532 views)
I didn't even recognize you! [In reply to] Can't Post

Laugh I like your new avatar! lol

I agree, though. The thing that AUJ needs most is more character development and quiet character scenes.

"...not till now have I understood the tale of your people and their fall.
As wicked fools I scorned them, but I pity them at last.
For if this is indeed, as the Eldar say, the gift of the One to Men,
it is bitter to receive." -Arwen Undómiel

Tol Eressea

Jun 19 2013, 1:56pm

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It may not be [In reply to] Can't Post

that late. There is always hope.Angelic

Without Azog, the film is certainly improved. As if a shadow has been lifted or an annoying fly has been sent way out the window.

Vous commencez à m'ennuyer avec le port!!!

Tol Eressea

Jun 19 2013, 2:00pm

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Yes, i changed my make up, im glad you liked it, i am very fond of it myself.

It is a symbol of my hope that Radagast will summon an avalanche of Rrrrrrrrosgabel Rrrrrabbits against the Nazgul or The undead orcs of Dol Guldur. Laugh

Hopefully, that will scare the poop out of the necromancer Tongue

Vous commencez à m'ennuyer avec le port!!!

(This post was edited by Lusitano on Jun 19 2013, 2:02pm)


Jun 19 2013, 2:07pm

Post #21 of 60 (540 views)
I guess they will explain Bilbo's initial reaction to Rivendell [In reply to] Can't Post

Maybe in the moment when we see him as a child we'll hear Rivendell mentioned. Young Bilbo might express a wish to visit there.


Jun 19 2013, 2:23pm

Post #22 of 60 (518 views)
The longer I can stay in Middle Earth the Better [In reply to] Can't Post

so I think that the EE will add to the film. I've said this before but will repeat it. The ability of film makers to revisit the cuts they made for TE's can be a problem. I hope not, but in some instances it looks like "Well, I'll cut this now and add it back in the EE." It's not the EE's are making film makers sloppy. It's just that there is room to "fix things" now that didn't exist before and that has to influence film editing.

I hope to see more of Rivendell, Hobbiton and Anzanulbizar. Perhaps we will get an inkling of what started Bilbo's dislike of the S-B's.


Jun 19 2013, 2:28pm

Post #23 of 60 (504 views)
Rrrrrrosgobel rabbits [In reply to] Can't Post

I can actually see that happening Unimpressed

Those pesky rabbits are sure to keep popping up, aren't they?

Truthfully, though, I liked the bunny sled and hope to see it again.

"...not till now have I understood the tale of your people and their fall.
As wicked fools I scorned them, but I pity them at last.
For if this is indeed, as the Eldar say, the gift of the One to Men,
it is bitter to receive." -Arwen Undómiel

Tol Eressea

Jun 19 2013, 2:41pm

Post #24 of 60 (511 views)
Seconded... [In reply to] Can't Post

More tranquillity is certainly needed!. Like others have said, if only we could cut some of the unnecessary "epic action" bits and add in more reflective, character development moments for Bilbo and the Dwarves, (particularly between Elrond and Bilbo in Rivendell) like we got with Bofur in the Goblin cave, AUJ would be improved in my eyes.

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¯ Victoria Monfort


Jun 19 2013, 2:57pm

Post #25 of 60 (496 views)
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I think we will get more reflective, character development moments for Bilbo and the Dwarves, (particularly between Elrond and Bilbo in Rivendell), but I doubt that any of the unnecessary "epic action" bits will get cut.

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