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SCOD: Isengard floods!

Xanaseb
Tol Eressea


Jun 15 2013, 8:37pm

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Thought I'd switch to a more landscape-based shot for today's SCOD. I find all shots of Isengard with steam quite fantastic, the steam effect really is pulled off wonderfully.

1. What say you on the symbolism of the Ents (embodying the protectors of nature) using water a great and powerful natural force, to quench the fires and destroy the dark industry of Isengard?

2. Do you take much notice of the special effects that PJ employs in the trilogy as a whole?


3. Can you spot the flaming Ent? :D

Cheers again! Cool

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One Ringer
Tol Eressea


Jun 15 2013, 11:49pm

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You know that sensation of coming full circle? [In reply to] Can't Post

Well, I think it rings fairly true when you look at that screencap alongside this one. Wink



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Xanaseb
Tol Eressea


Jun 16 2013, 12:03am

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Darkstone
Immortal


Jun 17 2013, 2:20pm

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“But as a mountain falls and crumbles away,
And as a rock is moved from its place;
As water wears away stones,
And as torrents wash away the soil of the earth;
So You destroy the hope of man.”
-Job 14:18-19

I believe there is also a Scandinavian proverb about how the ocean is more powerful than the mountain, but I’m too lazy to look it up.


1. What say you on the symbolism of the Ents (embodying the protectors of nature) using water a great and powerful natural force, to quench the fires and destroy the dark industry of Isengard?

There it is obvious as day. The wall with indents that make it look like a cog and the spire that makes it look like an axle. This is the most basic of man’s tools: a wheel. And then there are the orcs’ treadmills, wheels within wheels.

This means something, but one really shouldn’t discuss the Maaseh Merkabah casually. Bad things might happen, like, say, spontaneously bursting into flame.


2. Do you take much notice of the special effects that PJ employs in the trilogy as a whole?

They’re nice enough. If one notices them the first time around it means the story isn’t gripping enough. By the umpteenth time one is looking at things the director didn’t intend anyone to be directly looking at so of course one is going to notice imperfections. That’s the bane of multiple viewings. Nothing is perfect.


3. Can you spot the flaming Ent? :D

Yes, a nice reference to Hagigah 13b where someone who recognizes the true meaning of the symbolism of “wheels within wheels” is consumed by fire.

Jackson has said that his favorite of Tolkien’s characters were the Ents so I can see where he would be soft-hearted enough to go against canon and let Beechbone live.

Thanks for the discussion!Smile

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Loresilme
Valinor


Jun 17 2013, 8:08pm

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That's awesome, One Ringer!!

I never noticed that. It's so amazing to still be finding these gems after all this time!


CathrineB
Rohan


Jun 19 2013, 5:44pm

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1. What say you on the symbolism of the Ents (embodying the protectors of nature) using water a great and powerful natural force, to quench the fires and destroy the dark industry of Isengard?
- Just desserts?

2. Do you take much notice of the special effects that PJ employs in the trilogy as a whole?
- Sometimes. The wargs were bad and some of the fake horses are easy to spot since they look quite stiff and polished, but most of the time the effects were ridiculously good. I think it helped a lot that they used miniatures (bigatures) because scenes like Gandalf riding up Minas Tirith looks so goddamn real it's nuts! I think

3. Can you spot the flaming Ent? :D
- I had to look for a little, but yes. I LOVE in the movie when the water comes and the end runs forward and dunks itself in the water haha. Nice detail.


Xanaseb
Tol Eressea


Jun 19 2013, 10:55pm

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haha, yes those Scandinavian proverbs ;) // [In reply to] Can't Post

 

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