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Skill vs weight + some enchantment thrown in

CuriousG
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Jun 14 2013, 7:22pm


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Skill vs weight + some enchantment thrown in [In reply to] Can't Post

If it was just about weight, wouldn't hobbits weigh as little as an Elf, if not less? But they had no hope of skipping lightly across the snow.

I take that scene to be largely about skill instead of weight, as you say. Elves are lithe where Men are bludgeonly.

Then there's a smidgeon of enchantment thrown in, where an Elf can skip lightly over snow because of their greater affinity with nature. Not that it holds up elsewhere in the books, and this scene seems awkward to me because Frodo notices as if for the first time that Legolas wears little shoes like fairy slippers. You've traveled months with the guy and never noticed his footwear before? I'm a guy, and sooner or later, even we catch on to footwear, especially when everyone else 1) wears boots or 2) has shoeless, hairy feet. The scene makes Legolas out to be a sort of lightweight pixie that I don't find consistent with him elsewhere.

So I'll beat my drum again that centuries in the future, the Wise will notice inconsistencies in writing and conclude that there was no JRR Tolkien. He was a compendium of anonymous authors who added to the manuscript over decades if not centuries, which accounts for the variances in style and contradictions in facts. Then a rich but obscure family by the name of Tolkien bought all the manuscript rights and published the book under their name to become famous.It happens all the time in history.

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Of the Coming of Men into the West, I: "A chance meeting, as we say in Middle-earth". sador Send a private message to sador Jun 10 2013, 7:11am
    Wow, big post! Gonna keep me occupied for a while. wildespace Send a private message to wildespace Jun 10 2013, 8:45am
        P.P.S. wildespace Send a private message to wildespace Jun 10 2013, 9:37am
            Please don't! sador Send a private message to sador Jun 10 2013, 10:00am
                we cross-posted! noWizardme Send a private message to noWizardme Jun 10 2013, 10:34am
                Better to break them up, I think CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Jun 10 2013, 4:47pm
                    I'll try sador Send a private message to sador Jun 10 2013, 5:33pm
            don't worry, stick with it! :) plus organization of subthreads noWizardme Send a private message to noWizardme Jun 10 2013, 10:33am
                Excellent idea, Wiz CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Jun 10 2013, 5:06pm
            we've all been there! (here..., whatever) telain Send a private message to telain Jun 11 2013, 4:51pm
                I'm just befuddled by the sheer volume and intensity of the questions here. wildespace Send a private message to wildespace Jun 12 2013, 8:41am
                    As you wish CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Jun 12 2013, 1:37pm
                    So am I! telain Send a private message to telain Jun 12 2013, 2:51pm
            Yes, please take a stab at your areas of interest CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Jun 11 2013, 5:44pm
    Finrod, hunter of men and fire marshal PhantomS Send a private message to PhantomS Jun 10 2013, 3:20pm
    They certainly hit it off, unlike elves and dwarves... noWizardme Send a private message to noWizardme Jun 10 2013, 5:13pm
        Stonehenge was built by Elves? I thought it was Dwarves. :) // CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Jun 10 2013, 11:38pm
    17/1, Story Time A - Finrod rides alone sador Send a private message to sador Jun 10 2013, 5:40pm
        So firstly, Finrod on a hunt.... Lothwen Send a private message to Lothwen Jun 10 2013, 8:26pm
            Welcome to the Reading Room lothwen noWizardme Send a private message to noWizardme Jun 10 2013, 8:41pm
            Welcome to TORn! sador Send a private message to sador Jun 11 2013, 12:40pm
        The Lone Ranger CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Jun 11 2013, 12:02am
            Finrod's wanderlust telain Send a private message to telain Jun 12 2013, 4:44pm
                The Edain all look like Richard Armitage, and they are all scantily clad CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Jun 12 2013, 5:14pm
                    shameless post to get Brethil and Maciliel involved! telain Send a private message to telain Jun 12 2013, 5:57pm
                        Fun to tease him CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Jun 12 2013, 6:13pm
                            the teasing just proves that we love him! telain Send a private message to telain Jun 13 2013, 11:14pm
                                "This whole Silmarillion thing is all about waking up to the real "adult" world, isn't it? "- now that would be a fascinating discussion! Might you do a paper for the symposium, telain?// noWizardme Send a private message to noWizardme Jun 14 2013, 7:56am
                                    (throws caution to wind) Oh, why not?! telain Send a private message to telain Jun 14 2013, 2:30pm
                                        I'm sure you'll make it great, Telain CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Jun 14 2013, 2:32pm
                                            Love it! // Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Jun 14 2013, 2:34pm
                                Hmmm... Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Jun 14 2013, 12:26pm
                    Shameless indeed...! Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Jun 12 2013, 6:46pm
        Summary, and my own responses sador Send a private message to sador Jun 18 2013, 10:37am
    17/1, Story Time B - A mutual love sador Send a private message to sador Jun 10 2013, 5:43pm
        I love the obscure! CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Jun 11 2013, 12:19am
        Love the Tolkien-lore! FarFromHome Send a private message to FarFromHome Jun 12 2013, 3:47pm
            and I love obscure Tolkien-lore! telain Send a private message to telain Jun 12 2013, 6:10pm
        one more point on the song of wisdom... telain Send a private message to telain Jun 13 2013, 10:40pm
        Summary, and my own responses sador Send a private message to sador Jun 18 2013, 12:07pm
            Great to read *your* thoughts Sador! Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Jun 18 2013, 8:39pm
                Thank you! sador Send a private message to sador Jun 19 2013, 7:25am
    17/1, Story Time C - Balan, or Beor if you wish sador Send a private message to sador Jun 10 2013, 5:45pm
        History and vassals CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Jun 11 2013, 12:29am
        Darkness lies behind us Ardamírë Send a private message to Ardamírë Jun 11 2013, 2:56am
            Hmm - hadn't thought of that. You mean "Darkness lies behind us" as in "we can't remember"?// noWizardme Send a private message to noWizardme Jun 11 2013, 12:47pm
                No, as in "we choose not to talk about it". Ardamírë Send a private message to Ardamírë Jun 13 2013, 2:46pm
        Summary, and my own responses sador Send a private message to sador Jun 19 2013, 9:50am
    17/1, Text and Tradition A - King Felagund sador Send a private message to sador Jun 10 2013, 5:46pm
        The serpentine history of the cave-hewer CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Jun 11 2013, 12:58am
            Turgon Ardamírë Send a private message to Ardamírë Jun 11 2013, 2:45am
                Turgon: not perfect, but... CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Jun 11 2013, 12:37pm
                    Gondolin Ardamírë Send a private message to Ardamírë Jun 13 2013, 2:40pm
                        Fall of Gondolin CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Jun 13 2013, 7:26pm
                            The Fall of Gondolin Ardamírë Send a private message to Ardamírë Jun 14 2013, 11:51pm
                        What a lovely and touching detail Ardamire!! // Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Jun 13 2013, 7:42pm
                            Here's the passage, Brethil. Ardamírë Send a private message to Ardamírë Jun 14 2013, 11:37pm
                                Beautiful! // Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Jun 15 2013, 12:35am
                                    My pleasure! // Ardamírë Send a private message to Ardamírë Jun 15 2013, 12:53am
                                That is tremendous CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Jun 15 2013, 2:09am
                                    Isn't it though? Ardamírë Send a private message to Ardamírë Jun 15 2013, 2:18am
        Gildor Finrodion? Felagundion? Ardamírë Send a private message to Ardamírë Jun 11 2013, 3:15am
            as a fan of Gildor telain Send a private message to telain Jun 11 2013, 3:04pm
                Gildor and Galion Ardamírë Send a private message to Ardamírë Jun 13 2013, 2:59pm
        Summary, and my own responses sador Send a private message to sador Jun 19 2013, 3:00pm
            Gil-galad Ardamírë Send a private message to Ardamírë Jun 19 2013, 6:10pm
                Primogeniture vs "Other" CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Jun 19 2013, 7:07pm
                    An interesting thought Ardamírë Send a private message to Ardamírë Jun 20 2013, 3:36am
                Well, as a BoLT fan sador Send a private message to sador Jun 20 2013, 9:52am
                    Actually, I didn't remember that Ardamírë Send a private message to Ardamírë Jun 23 2013, 5:56pm
                    The empty title of High King CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Jun 24 2013, 1:24am
            Great, nuanced distinction to make between Finarfin and Fingolfin CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Jun 24 2013, 1:42am
        For the sake of completeness, regarding Galadriel sador Send a private message to sador Jun 20 2013, 10:11am
    17/1, Text and tradition B - The long-awaited newcomers sador Send a private message to sador Jun 10 2013, 5:49pm
        I like the sense of a repeating pattern… noWizardme Send a private message to noWizardme Jun 10 2013, 8:54pm
        Summary, and my own responses sador Send a private message to sador Jun 20 2013, 1:33pm
    17/1, Text and Tradition C - The Laiquendi of Ossiriand sador Send a private message to sador Jun 10 2013, 5:54pm
        I'm beginning to see those green elves… noWizardme Send a private message to noWizardme Jun 10 2013, 8:13pm
            The Greenelves do a massive Facebook cull... telain Send a private message to telain Jun 13 2013, 11:07pm
                The green elves' Facebook cull noWizardme Send a private message to noWizardme Jun 14 2013, 7:58am
                    The Prism of Melian is always watchful telain Send a private message to telain Jun 14 2013, 2:40pm
                        The relative metabolic needs of Elves and Men Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Jun 14 2013, 2:52pm
                            Oh, good one... telain Send a private message to telain Jun 14 2013, 7:03pm
                                Skill vs weight + some enchantment thrown in CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Jun 14 2013, 7:22pm
                                Its one of those 'assumed' things! Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Jun 14 2013, 8:26pm
                                    You mean the salt they spread on icy roads? CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Jun 14 2013, 8:38pm
                                        Or the salt on the slippery mountain road... Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Jun 14 2013, 9:24pm
                        Yes, that's a big one CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Jun 14 2013, 3:11pm
        Laiquendi CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Jun 11 2013, 1:10am
            It wasn't much work sador Send a private message to sador Jun 11 2013, 12:52pm
        Summary, and my own responses sador Send a private message to sador Jun 20 2013, 3:10pm
    I like it as one post Voronwë_the_Faithful Send a private message to Voronwë_the_Faithful Jun 11 2013, 12:46am
        Thank you! sador Send a private message to sador Jun 11 2013, 12:48pm
            The more you break up your posts, the sooner you'll make it to Immortal status. // CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Jun 11 2013, 12:52pm
            Thank YOU! Voronwë_the_Faithful Send a private message to Voronwë_the_Faithful Jun 11 2013, 1:40pm
                Arda Recon is indeed most helpful CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Jun 11 2013, 2:04pm
                    Thank you, kind sir! // Voronwë_the_Faithful Send a private message to Voronwë_the_Faithful Jun 11 2013, 3:15pm
    On Men and vassals Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Jun 12 2013, 3:38pm

 
 
 

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