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Gandalf in Dol Guldur. . . why he needs to show the greatest display of his power yet seen.

AinurOlorin
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Jun 13 2013, 4:50am


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We have seen him perform great feats of power, yet sporatically, sometimes abstaining at curious moments. This sometimes leaves the casually viewer scratching their head, but the more knowing viewer, or the particularly astute, note that he uses the more potent aspects of his power, only when needed and against significant odds. This correlates with him not seeking to overawe those whom he seeks to guide (in particular the Free Peoples), and with him not using his greater powers superfluously where other means will suffice.

Yet here we will find him alone, in what is almost certainly (with, in the film account, The Nine present in close proximity to their arisen master, and thus more powerful than they have been at any time to that point since Sauron's fall to The Alliance) the most perilous situation that he has faced in his two thousand years in his aged guise, and the most perilous that he will face until his confrontation with the Maia Demon who reigns supreme in Moria (with the possible exception of his duel with Saruman). He will be "hard put to it." He will also be largely unhampered by any inclination to restrain himself (beyond the limits imposed by his assumed form) to avoid overwhelming his lesser allies with his powers, or causing them to rely too heavily on him by rescuing them with paranormal powrs when normal means will avail, as no such allies will be present with him.

"Hear me, hounds of Sauron, Gandalf is here! Fly if you value your foul skins, I will shrivel you from tail to snout if you step within this circle!"

"Do not be to eager to deal out death in judgement. Even the very wise cannot see all ends."

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Gandalf in Dol Guldur. . . why he needs to show the greatest display of his power yet seen. AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Jun 13 2013, 4:50am
    Further commentary (had to depart earlier and did not finish). AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Jun 13 2013, 5:37am
        Meh. Elizabeth Send a private message to Elizabeth Jun 13 2013, 7:09am
            Uhu LordGawain Send a private message to LordGawain Jun 13 2013, 10:18am
                You are actually agreeing with me almost exactly without knowing it. lol AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Jun 14 2013, 4:50am
            Just yes. Arannir Send a private message to Arannir Jun 13 2013, 11:44am
            I couldn't agree more. // dubulous Send a private message to dubulous Jun 13 2013, 12:57pm
            Agreed Lusitano Send a private message to Lusitano Jun 13 2013, 2:53pm
                ... TFP Send a private message to TFP Jun 13 2013, 3:19pm
                Again, as I AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Jun 14 2013, 4:53am
                    I agree that there is a point to be made Lusitano Send a private message to Lusitano Jun 14 2013, 4:13pm
            not true about appeasing fans with loud explosions MouthofSauron Send a private message to MouthofSauron Jun 13 2013, 4:02pm
                Thank you . And while he does say powerful lines, and they are pivotal, that is not all there AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Jun 14 2013, 4:59am
                    I agree with you here Salmacis81 Send a private message to Salmacis81 Jun 14 2013, 7:58pm
                        Again, exactly. To have him not perform significant magic would be the ultimate WTF moment for AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Jun 15 2013, 7:28am
            Not really the central point. There are issues of continuity as well as cannon and proper portrayl to consider. AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Jun 14 2013, 4:43am
            That'll Do It JWPlatt Jun 14 2013, 6:21pm
                Exactly. It isn't a matter of what his most winning traits are, but of what he AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Jun 15 2013, 7:19am
            And no, it has everything to do with not misrepresenting Gandalf as an impotent sage. AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Jun 15 2013, 9:32am
        I'd also like to see Saruman play a major role... Salmacis81 Send a private message to Salmacis81 Jun 13 2013, 4:25pm
            Lee's age can be dealt with... Elizabeth Send a private message to Elizabeth Jun 14 2013, 4:49am
                True Salmacis81 Send a private message to Salmacis81 Jun 14 2013, 12:40pm
                    Saruman's full intentions were somewhat dispersed at this time. Escapist Send a private message to Escapist Jun 14 2013, 12:47pm
                        According to Gandalf... Salmacis81 Send a private message to Salmacis81 Jun 14 2013, 1:35pm
                            Saruman in AUJ... MouthofSauron Send a private message to MouthofSauron Jun 14 2013, 3:50pm
                                He's certainly being an obstructionist in AUJ, but it's not hinted at as to why... Salmacis81 Send a private message to Salmacis81 Jun 14 2013, 6:18pm
                                    FOTR... MouthofSauron Send a private message to MouthofSauron Jun 14 2013, 7:02pm
                                        True... Salmacis81 Send a private message to Salmacis81 Jun 14 2013, 7:36pm
                            I guess "devices" is a word that can be open to interpretation. Escapist Send a private message to Escapist Jun 14 2013, 6:26pm
                                Yes, absolutely... Salmacis81 Send a private message to Salmacis81 Jun 14 2013, 7:41pm
        ^This Radagast-Aiwendil Send a private message to Radagast-Aiwendil Jun 14 2013, 9:10pm
    what do you want to see him do this time? lurtz2010 Send a private message to lurtz2010 Jun 13 2013, 7:27am
        ... TFP Send a private message to TFP Jun 13 2013, 10:24am
        I would be thrilled if they lifted the exact scene alluded to in the novels for Amon Sul, AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Jun 14 2013, 4:47am
            Not all nine at Amon Sul Elizabeth Send a private message to Elizabeth Jun 14 2013, 7:35am
                Nope, Gandalf was attacked by all Nine Radagast-Aiwendil Send a private message to Radagast-Aiwendil Jun 14 2013, 9:14pm
                It was all Nine. They split after the confrontation. At dawn, Gandalf breaks away from the battle, AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Jun 15 2013, 7:11am

 
 
 

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