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Scourge of the Stoors
Rivendell
Jun 12 2013, 5:31am
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Why not use miniatures for Laketown?
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In the trailer, Laketown looks bad. Like, it looks like a cutscene from an Assasin's Creed game. You could argue that the CG will be touched up, that it will look better later, yada yada, but why even use such extensive CG in the first place when a miniature would have done the trick?
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redgiraffe
Rohan
Jun 12 2013, 6:38am
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I didn't think Laketown looked horrible but I definitely think it looked CGI. There was a wide shot of Rivendel in the second AUJ trailer that looked CGI as well. I was happy when it didn't make the final cut. So maybe the same thing will happen with that shot of Laketown.
As far as miniatures go, it's to my knowledge they aren't using them on these films because of a combination of 3D, 48fps, and the 4K resolution. So every environment that would normally be miniature is CGI.
For the most part I think WETA did a good job of this. But there's still something about the environments that doesn't seem as substantial as miniature environments.
And I think a lot of the reason why a lot of people complain about too much CGI is that there just is too much CGI work that has to be done with the added environments. My theory is that they have to spend more time on that stuff and that takes away from their time to spend on CGI with other areas. I think that's why we are getting some sub par CGI. There's just so much that the animators have to work on. A lot more than with LOTR. Additionally, you aren't getting integration of CGI and realistic bits; it's a lot of CGI on top of CGI now.
This has been the most upsetting bit to me. I really wish PJ had just filmed these the way he did LOTR (maybe not on film). I think he sacrificed a lot of his methods (that were held in high regard by many) in order to accommodate the new technology. And I think this has made the overall aesthetic of the film very different from LOTR to where at some parts it doesn't feel like it's in the same universe.
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LordGawain
Rivendell
Jun 12 2013, 6:39am
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Due to the 3D-cameras, it was impossible to use miniatures on this movie. Everything was done digital. :)
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Arannir
Valinor
Jun 12 2013, 11:57am
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How different perceptions can be.
When I saw the scenery in the trailer I immediately put them up there with the sets from LotR in my mind.
Laketown being my absolute favourite and worthy of the company of Minas Tirith and Edoras. Although I also loved Thranduil's Halls which seem to be a mix of Moria and Caras Galadhon.
“A dragon is no idle fancy. Whatever may be his origins, in fact or invention, the dragon in legend is a potent creation of men’s imagination, richer in significance than his barrow is in gold.” J.R.R. Tolkien
Words of wisdom that should be remembered - both by critics, purists and anyone in between.
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redgiraffe
Rohan
Jun 12 2013, 1:20pm
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How different perceptions can be.
When I saw the scenery in the trailer I immediately put them up there with the sets from LotR in my mind.
Laketown being my absolute favourite and worthy of the company of Minas Tirith and Edoras. Although I also loved Thranduil's Halls which seem to be a mix of Moria and Caras Galadhon.
Actually, after having looked at it 1million times (lol) I really think Laketown looks great. I think i just didn't like it at first because it was so quick and lit very brightly.
I love Thranduil's halls as well. But I think my favorite so far is that shot of Dale from AUJ. That, to me just looked so fantastic. I wonder if they used some shots from the actual set with CGI to make the whole city of Dale.
-Sir are you classified as human
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Arannir
Valinor
Jun 12 2013, 1:39pm
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especially dale in the trailer
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Tibet style. Pure genius imho.
“A dragon is no idle fancy. Whatever may be his origins, in fact or invention, the dragon in legend is a potent creation of men’s imagination, richer in significance than his barrow is in gold.” J.R.R. Tolkien
Words of wisdom that should be remembered - both by critics, purists and anyone in between.
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Elenorflower
Gondor
Jun 12 2013, 1:57pm
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I think the human brain is cleverer than we think. when we see something 'real' like a set or a minature/bigature we unconsciously know its physical and actually exists in 3D, thats why it fools our brains and we get that wow factor we had in LOTR. the computer generated landscapes may be technically stunning to look at but we know it aint real and its all in a computer. in that way our brains take us out of the scene because we are thinking (whether we are aware of it or not) 'oh this is cool cgi, look at the special effects', end of magic. and a nagging feeling of dissatisfaction but you cant figure out exactly why. Its different with Avatar because its pretty much all computer generated.
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Elessar
Valinor
Jun 12 2013, 2:26pm
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What we saw of both I thought looked pretty darn cool. I wasn't sure if what we saw of Lake Town wasn't a miniature or at least a bigature.
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Arannir
Valinor
Jun 12 2013, 2:39pm
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since they built a pretty big set
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It could unsres be a mix.
“A dragon is no idle fancy. Whatever may be his origins, in fact or invention, the dragon in legend is a potent creation of men’s imagination, richer in significance than his barrow is in gold.” J.R.R. Tolkien
Words of wisdom that should be remembered - both by critics, purists and anyone in between.
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Elessar
Valinor
Jun 12 2013, 2:45pm
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As well. It may not be the case but it was the thought that hit me first.
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