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Shagrat
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Jun 11 2013, 7:53pm
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Either with excitement or disappointment. It's 90 seconds of an at least 150-minutes film. Most of the shots aren't finished. A number of sequences might not even appear in the film. So I think we should wait until we see the film or at least learn more about it until we get too carried away with our judgments.
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kbdiggity
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Jun 11 2013, 7:54pm
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CGI Elves! CGI Orcs! CGI Dwarves in barrels! CGI Thrain & Tauriel leaping at the camera! Hooray!
This is like the anti-LotR. While PJ's previous trilogy created a living, human Middle-earth, this is like cut scenes from "A Bug's Life".
Worse, it looks like "Avatar": it has such an artificial, digital sheen to it, even when there's a real person in the frame it looks like a cartoon.
Oh, yeah: and Bilbo again gets stiffed with not a single line in his OWN trailer; Thorin doesn't speak either. Is this "Woodland Realm: The Movie"?
Why was I expecting PJ to do something better than AUJ with this? And why has everything (including things we KNOW were shot in production, such as the barrels, elves, orcs, ETC) been replaced with CGI?
Ah, well...the wait for the trailer was slightly exciting for a while there, I suppose.
LOL
You have high expectations for a teaser trailer for a movie that still has about half a year to go before it reaches theaters.
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Captain Salt
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Jun 11 2013, 7:56pm
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Or "representation", the non-garbled spelling! //
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My Top 5 Wish List for "The Hobbit"
5. Legolas will surf down Smaug's neck
4. Bilbo will be revealed to a Robot
3. Naked PJ cameo as Ghan-Buri-Ghan
2. Use of not only 3D, but smell-o-vision, plus the inclusion of axes coming out of the seats and poking the audience when appropriate
1. Not only keep the claim that Thorin & Co. ran amok in Mirkwood "molesting people", but depict said incident in vivid detail!!!!!
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Captain Salt
Tol Eressea
Jun 11 2013, 8:01pm
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and the teaser fell below them, actually. If the shots in question weren't done, then they should have included some actual live-action footage instead.
I wanted to like this over AUJ...but the teaser has not substantiated that.
My Top 5 Wish List for "The Hobbit"
5. Legolas will surf down Smaug's neck
4. Bilbo will be revealed to a Robot
3. Naked PJ cameo as Ghan-Buri-Ghan
2. Use of not only 3D, but smell-o-vision, plus the inclusion of axes coming out of the seats and poking the audience when appropriate
1. Not only keep the claim that Thorin & Co. ran amok in Mirkwood "molesting people", but depict said incident in vivid detail!!!!!
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easterlingchief1
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Jun 11 2013, 8:02pm
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That scroll is incredibly unreliable
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The imagery in the scroll is not 100% accurate with what ends up in the finished film (at least in AUJ). Just and example, the Wargs looked very different in that scroll than they did on screen.
I'm betting the image of the orating bear is one that the WB marketing team had in stock. They probably tweaked it (added the "wiskers") and PS it into the image along with Gandalf. It was probably never the image PJ was going to end up sticking with for Beorn's animal form.
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adnan
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Jun 11 2013, 8:04pm
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general audience...they don't care much for story (please see the success of Avatar for heaven's sake), they want spectacle & epicness for these kinds of films, and the trailer delivers that spectacularly.
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Jun 11 2013, 8:04pm
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I don't want to have to wait 6 months and 2 days to see it!! Haha. I have to say that my only worry was Tauriel's rumored love scenes, but in this trailer I feel more comfortable with her in the movie. She doesn't seem like a major distraction, just like another Mirkwood elf with more focus. I didn't mind the CGI much, but I'm sure they will still be working on that with months to go before the movie is out. Absolutely love that it was snowing because a few of us were hoping the Battle of 5 Armies (or Smaug's fight?) will be during a snow storm! If this was a teaser, then the full length trailer must give us more of a treat. Also, pretty sure that was Beorn in bear form trying to burst through that door, I completely missed him the first time around as being Beorn. Didn't expect Smaug but I think it was an awesome tease since it wasn't a full reveal. I have so many thoughts but I'm so excited i can't remember them all!
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Lieutenant of Dol Guldur
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Jun 11 2013, 8:04pm
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Of red-haired Elves, successful Orcs, worried Men and a little Hobbit
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...and of course of homeless Dwarves.
Let's observe this great piece of Middle-earth history and focus on NEW things:
- Finally some snow! It looks so magnificent (Dale, Lake Town, Erebor)
- Obviously Bilbo uses the Ring less than in the book... which is great because there would have been only two ways. Showing "nothing" but a empty place with perhaps footprints or showing everything with this twilight-Ring-World light and that would have been a bit annoying at some point.
- It's undoubtably... it's a trap!
- Three similar jump-attack-shots. Thrain jumping on Gandalf, Tauriel jumping on.. Orcs? and an Orc jumping on Thorin
- Lower Elves from the Woodland Realm seem to have light brown/red hair. I think it is good to differentiate them from the Rivendell Elves (dark brown/almost black) and the Lothlorien Elves (blond/almost golden) while we have the Higher Elves from the Woodland Realm like Thranduil and Legolas with blond/almost silver hair (didn't Celeborn also have silver hair?)
- Although I wasn't a huge Azog fan after the first movie... I kinda was happy to see him in the trailer... he's now part of the whole family so it's good to see him again
- It seems to me that Azog and his Orcs are successfully attacking the Elves perhaps it's where the Elves change their mind that it is also their war? Perhaps even revealing the greater evil (Sauron) behind everything?
- It's a trap!
- Gandalf and Radagast being attacked by something in Dol Guldur (Nazgūl, Sauron or just bats?)
- Smaug looks amazing and damn is he big! And that's only the head! Yes, he looks a little different to the AUJ but the FOTR Gollum looked different to the TTT Gollum, so where's the problem?
- Great dialogue of Thranduil and Bard. Both seem to be very worried about challanging Smaug (quite right if you remember the book)
And who was missing? Good or bad?
- The Master (and Alfrid): He is not that important so it's not a problem
- The Necromancer: I think he we saw a shot out of his perspective flying towards Gandalf and Radagast (perhaps it was only an army of bats). But it's great not to reveal to much
- Beorn: Except of this glimpse at the door (it could be a giant hound but also a bear) nothing. It pleases me because I want to see him for the first time on the big screen
- Bolg: Do we have to fear that he was degraded to a lesser Orc and totally replaced by Azog? Hopefully he'll appear in the next trailer
- Bilbo: Yes, he was in the trailer... but although he's the official lead character and titular figure there wasn't much of him. He did not even speak. But this shows us that The Hobbit Trilogy isn't only about the Hobbit. It's mainly about the Quest for Erebor
There is soooo much more... but I'm tired of tipping on my keyboard^^
"There is only one Lord of the Ring, only one who can bend it to his will. And he does not share power."
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bungobaggins
Lorien
Jun 11 2013, 8:05pm
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Jackson has adopted George Lucas' mantra from the prequel trilogy: "I can have anything I want in the movie because of the technology." Which is funny when you consider Lucas' stance on special effects when he was working on the original trilogy.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ykmZp5cgbkU
This has been adopted by James Cameron as well.
I can't find the interview where Jackson basically tips his hand about special effects and admits he has adopted this similar philosophy.
These directors have not, and will not learn their lesson about special effects.
"You are a very fine person, Mr. Baggins, and I am very fond of you; but you are only quite a little fellow in a wide world after all!" - Gandalf
Darth Bungo: "Gandalf the Gray never told you what happened to your father."
Bilbo Barrel-rider: "He told me enough. He told me you killed him."
Darth Bungo: "No, I am your father."
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Jun 11 2013, 8:10pm
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Who was asking about the earthquake?
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Could not recognize the voice of the dwarf asking "Was this an earthquake?"
Anyone can help?
Russian LOTR & Hobbit Site: Henneth-Annun.ru
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Olorin2607
Lorien
Jun 11 2013, 8:11pm
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I'm kinda hoping we get an alternative ending to this Trailer that Show the REAL Thing. :D Well.. one can have dreams.
But really he's underwhelming. They clearly missed the chance of making him look cpecial. He looks like every other dragon.
I do not find the rest of the trailer too bad. Clearly lots of Action.. but thats not a bad thing if it's executed well. And I guess we get to see more of Bilbo etc. in other Trailers.
All of the Locations look amazing.
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Rohan
Jun 11 2013, 8:14pm
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At the expense of this film I think in some ways they made the right decision to not trample and destroy precious pieces of New Zealand in order to make The Hobbit. Yes the Hobbit is filled with more studio shoots and CGI imagery, but I'd rather keep New Zealand unspoiled than make a blockbuster fantasy movie feel more "realistic."
"The world is indeed full of peril, and in it there are many dark places; but still there is much that is fair; and though in all lands love is now mingled with grief, it grows perhaps the greater."-J.R.R. Tolkien
"Thanks for the money!" -George Lucas
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Jun 11 2013, 8:15pm
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was a great idea, I think. They revealed just enough to show how enormous and menacing the dragon is, without giving the whole thing away. Now they don't have to show anything else of Smaug till the finished version in the movie.
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Captain Salt
Tol Eressea
Jun 11 2013, 8:15pm
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This certainly seems to be the case...
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I remember reading an anecdote (can't remember where) about George Lucas visiting PJ during the production of King Kong; PJ showed Lucas a WETA model/bigature of a massive tree which our cast had to cross in the film. Reportedly Lucas said something like "you know, you can do all that in the computer" (implying that models were antiquated), with PJ replying "why would you want to"?
Boy, the times have certainly changed.
My Top 5 Wish List for "The Hobbit"
5. Legolas will surf down Smaug's neck
4. Bilbo will be revealed to a Robot
3. Naked PJ cameo as Ghan-Buri-Ghan
2. Use of not only 3D, but smell-o-vision, plus the inclusion of axes coming out of the seats and poking the audience when appropriate
1. Not only keep the claim that Thorin & Co. ran amok in Mirkwood "molesting people", but depict said incident in vivid detail!!!!!
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bungobaggins
Lorien
Jun 11 2013, 8:17pm
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http://www.youtube.com/...J_ZEsDyo&t=6m16s
"Anything you can imagine you can put on film."
Interesting to note that he says that some of the visual effects shots for the second film have already been handed over (this is in July of last year, so nearly a year ago). To think the effects would be up to snuff by now?
"You are a very fine person, Mr. Baggins, and I am very fond of you; but you are only quite a little fellow in a wide world after all!" - Gandalf
Darth Bungo: "Gandalf the Gray never told you what happened to your father."
Bilbo Barrel-rider: "He told me enough. He told me you killed him."
Darth Bungo: "No, I am your father."
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Lorien
Jun 11 2013, 8:17pm
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It's still too soon to claim he looks like every other dragon, simply because we've only seen his head (and even that doesn't really look like your average dragon)
We still have to see his full body (including the gold on his chest) and there are probably some horns on his head aswell that we can't see in the trailer.
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BilboBagshot187
Rivendell
Jun 11 2013, 8:20pm
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Peter Jacksons HD facebook link
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amazing quality here
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=155837147936654
I want apple to put it up so I can download and watch it on my 40" TV!
'Everywhere I lie theres a dirty great root sticking into my back!'
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Pazeer
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Jun 11 2013, 8:21pm
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But perhaps Dori?
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Jun 11 2013, 8:21pm
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Could not recognize the voice of the dwarf asking "Was this an earthquake?"
Anyone can help?
By the sounds of it, it was Dori. As the accent (to me) was a Northern English one, but not of the low pitched tones of the Durin Clan. Also if you freeze frame it, you can see that it is Dori, who is left to the screen. And when Balin turns and answers, it is directed his way.
Viewers of a nervous disposition may be interested to know that your television is off and I am speaking to you from inside your head...
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Captain Salt
Tol Eressea
Jun 11 2013, 8:21pm
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Agreed, personally I LOVED the first AUJ teaser!
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That was magical, and yes elegant, and felt like being back in Middle-earth. And hearing the Misty Mountains theme for the first time...brilliant; while also agreed, the generic trailer music certainly doesn't help any.
BTW, here's the TTT teaser for comparison (also thought this worked quite well):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cG-1Gtus7KQ
My Top 5 Wish List for "The Hobbit"
5. Legolas will surf down Smaug's neck
4. Bilbo will be revealed to a Robot
3. Naked PJ cameo as Ghan-Buri-Ghan
2. Use of not only 3D, but smell-o-vision, plus the inclusion of axes coming out of the seats and poking the audience when appropriate
1. Not only keep the claim that Thorin & Co. ran amok in Mirkwood "molesting people", but depict said incident in vivid detail!!!!!
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DanielLB
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Jun 11 2013, 8:22pm
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And he's the one looking around the most in the background.
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bungobaggins
Lorien
Jun 11 2013, 8:24pm
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http://www.youtube.com/...hw&v=g81PoGKO0qA
or this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CPzDjaA03ts
However I feel that the portrayal of Jackson in the second video is no longer accurate.
"You are a very fine person, Mr. Baggins, and I am very fond of you; but you are only quite a little fellow in a wide world after all!" - Gandalf
Darth Bungo: "Gandalf the Gray never told you what happened to your father."
Bilbo Barrel-rider: "He told me enough. He told me you killed him."
Darth Bungo: "No, I am your father."
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Tol Eressea
Jun 11 2013, 8:24pm
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And its not the times, its these people...there are others who have not gone the fake CGI, all digital, green screen all the way, route.
But we have :
Beorn attacking the company at his house. What happening here?
Bombur being thrown in the air inside a barrel and crashin on some orcs. Lovely...
Legolas and Tauriel surfing through the forest...Had to happen.
Rambo's dialogue : " This is not our fight! " - Its not my business. Yes it is.
The barrel ride turned into what appears to be another ridiculously improbable, the hell with plausibility moment, for the sake of spectacle.
Did Bilbo have any lines? I dont remember...
The woodland realm seems interesting, thats some interetsing designs, though it did remind me of Lorien...
It looks so digital, so crisp, so saturated, so over the top...oh well, that has been established with AUJ.
I thin that was Thorin opening the door at Erebor.
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Jun 11 2013, 8:24pm
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Thranduil was the best part for me.
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Lee Pace is gonna be so badass as Thranduil. The way he said those lines was awesome. I think Thranduil and Legolas win the title for best looking family in Middle Earth for sure. I'm sure Luke Evans is going to be great as Bard, but he looked and sounded too much like Will Turner, and it seems some people are already thinking Orlando will be playing double roles from the trailer. Evangeline looked and sounded lovely as Tauriel- she'll do just fine. I really thought they would use Benedict's voice, but having Thranduil narrating was a great move.
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Lorien
Jun 11 2013, 8:25pm
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at first i absoluetly loved the trailer. but oh i should have never hoped. after AUJ was a rather big disappointment to me, the second movie seems to be going the exact road with all that cgi and no story/character left
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