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Why not Ian Holm in The Hobbit?

Silverlode
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Dec 22 2007, 8:09am


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Before you all answer with a chorus of "He's too old!", hear me out. Wink

We've talked about how to keep the lighter tone of The Hobbit, and we've talked about whether or not it should be narrated. And we've talked about how to keep continuity between The Hobbit and LOTR.

So how about this? The Hobbit movie is the story as told/narrated by Bilbo as he's "finishing his book" in Rivendell.

He would be the rather more elderly hobbit that we saw when Frodo arrived there, perhaps wrapped up in shawls and seated in the Hall of Fire, or in his own room, writing. So we see bits of the Red Book that we got a glimpse of when he showed it to Frodo, and when necessary, he narrates the action. Even in LOTR, Bilbo had a somewhat lighter role, being more cheerful and not so weighted down with responsibility as Frodo. He can maintain the folksy, hobbity tone of the story, and Ian Holm doesn't have to do any of the strenuous action scenes: he just sits in Rivendell and tells the story, and we watch the younger Bilbo (*insert plug for Martin Freeman here*) on his adventure.

So we get to see Ian Holm, Hugo Weaving as Elrond (he could be in scenes with the old and young Bilbos), and possibly Viggo, as we know that Bilbo and Aragorn become friends during his stay there if not before. Small scenes of Bilbo's life in Rivendell could also provide some tie-ins with the storyline of the second movie, as it must involve Elrond and most likely Aragorn as well. And best of all, we don't have to do great violence to the story in order to do so.

So, what do you all think?

Silverlode

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Subject User Time
Why not Ian Holm in The Hobbit? Silverlode Send a private message to Silverlode Dec 22 2007, 8:09am
    Exactly.. ChrisCR Send a private message to ChrisCR Dec 22 2007, 9:25am
    I've never understood the too old argument... Meliana Send a private message to Meliana Dec 22 2007, 9:47am
        It was very briefly in the cave JRandomRohirrim Send a private message to JRandomRohirrim Dec 22 2007, 12:52pm
            He really looked too old even then./ L. Ron Halfelven Send a private message to L. Ron Halfelven Dec 22 2007, 1:29pm
        Bilbo should look like a person aged 35-50. N.E. Brigand Send a private message to N.E. Brigand Dec 22 2007, 4:31pm
        But Bestica Send a private message to Bestica Dec 22 2007, 9:30pm
            Frodo should have (and did) looked younger than Bilbo. N.E. Brigand Send a private message to N.E. Brigand Dec 23 2007, 1:05am
                Yes. entmaiden Send a private message to entmaiden Dec 23 2007, 1:10am
                    Even if Frodo had been 50... N.E. Brigand Send a private message to N.E. Brigand Dec 23 2007, 1:15am
                        I think it was as you say. entmaiden Send a private message to entmaiden Dec 23 2007, 2:07am
                            I thought the final test followed... N.E. Brigand Send a private message to N.E. Brigand Dec 23 2007, 2:18am
                                You could be right. entmaiden Send a private message to entmaiden Dec 23 2007, 3:09am
                                    Basically what happened Ainu Laire Send a private message to Ainu Laire Dec 23 2007, 6:45am
                                        Thanks. // N.E. Brigand Send a private message to N.E. Brigand Dec 23 2007, 6:54am
                Good point... Bestica Send a private message to Bestica Dec 23 2007, 3:17am
    I think the idea is brilliant {NT} MrCere Send a private message to MrCere Dec 22 2007, 10:40am
    I like the idea ... Elven Send a private message to Elven Dec 22 2007, 11:09am
    Are you suggesting Holm does a cameo entmaiden Send a private message to entmaiden Dec 22 2007, 11:13am
        But isn't Sir Ian Bilbo? Elven Send a private message to Elven Dec 22 2007, 11:21am
            Sir Ian is Frodo to me as much as Bilbo. entmaiden Send a private message to entmaiden Dec 22 2007, 11:34am
        Yes, exactly. Silverlode Send a private message to Silverlode Dec 22 2007, 11:33am
    Would the story narration idea lessen the drama? burrahobbit Send a private message to burrahobbit Dec 22 2007, 2:28pm
        Hello! Ataahua Send a private message to Ataahua Dec 22 2007, 6:36pm
        It wouldn't have to. Silverlode Send a private message to Silverlode Dec 22 2007, 8:24pm
            Truly, I had already assumed such. silneldor Send a private message to silneldor Dec 23 2007, 4:50pm
                Bilbo was 40 SacredOak Send a private message to SacredOak Dec 23 2007, 11:49pm
                    Bilbo was 50. Silverlode Send a private message to Silverlode Dec 24 2007, 12:33am
                        50 not 40 oops SacredOak Send a private message to SacredOak Dec 24 2007, 1:11am
                            Bilbo is a very minor character in LOTR entmaiden Send a private message to entmaiden Dec 24 2007, 1:17pm
    Aw, what a sweet idea. Ataahua Send a private message to Ataahua Dec 22 2007, 6:37pm
    Silverlode, I think this is perfect. It would take care Patty Send a private message to Patty Dec 22 2007, 6:49pm
    Love the cameo idea labingi_maura Send a private message to labingi_maura Dec 22 2007, 10:10pm
    That's a great idea! RosieLass Send a private message to RosieLass Dec 23 2007, 2:26am
    Bingo! silneldor Send a private message to silneldor Dec 23 2007, 2:32am
    Nice Finding Frodo Send a private message to Finding Frodo Dec 24 2007, 1:10am
        Really? Silverlode Send a private message to Silverlode Dec 24 2007, 2:09am
            Yes. N.E. Brigand Send a private message to N.E. Brigand Dec 24 2007, 3:37am
                For instance... N.E. Brigand Send a private message to N.E. Brigand Dec 24 2007, 3:39am
                    Aha! Thanks. Silverlode Send a private message to Silverlode Dec 24 2007, 5:17am
    Perfect :) grammaboodawg Send a private message to grammaboodawg Dec 26 2007, 1:03pm
        Holm's just gotta be in The Hobbit! Finish the journey // grammaboodawg Send a private message to grammaboodawg Dec 26 2007, 1:04pm
    i don't see what the problem is kaitlin Send a private message to kaitlin Dec 26 2007, 8:53pm
        Yes Tim Send a private message to Tim Jan 14 2008, 1:55am

 
 
 

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