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Silmarillion Chapter 15: Of the Noldor in Beleriand

Brethil
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May 26 2013, 10:16am


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In this chapter the pieces on the board are being put into place. Ulmo is quietly organizing behind the scenes for events that will unite these two great Elven Kingdoms, both destined for violent oblivion...and in keeping safe the hope of Elves and Men.
Enjoy! And of course feel more than free to raise any other any other questions or....curiosities Wink.

Gondolin is Ready, and Ulmo Counsels Turgon.
The second of the great Elf strongholds inspired by the dream sent by Ulmo to Turgon and Finrod is completed. Nargothrond is delved, and after fifty two years in secret making, Gondolin, the Hidden Rock, is ready at last. Ulmo comes again to Turgon, and relates to him many things: He (Ulmo) will hide Gondolin with his power in beloved Sirion; Gondolin will last the longest; and this very telling piece: "But love not too well the work of thy hands and the devices of thy heart; and remember the true hope of the Noldor lieth in the West and cometh from the Sea." Ulmo also tells Turgon that he is still under the Doom of Mandos, which Ulmo cannot change; but to look for the hope for Elves and Men in someone who will come from Nevrast. Ulmo instructs Turgon to prepare equipment in specific stature for he that will come.
A gold and silver tree does Turgon make; yet fairer than both of these was his daughter Idril Celebrindal, the Silver-foot. While young Idril walks in beauty in Gondolin, the now-emptied land of Nevrast lies silent.

**Ulmo has a vested interest in preserving Gondolin: but clearly he can see its end - and thus implying that he forsees the end of Nargothrond as well. Is there a common purpose uniting these two strongholds, for the future and hopes of Middle Earth, deeper than just defense?
**"But love not too well the work of thy hands and the devices of thy heart; and remember the true hope of the Noldor lieth in the West and cometh from the Sea." Obviously Ulmo has a Plan - what do you think of how he is going about it? Ulmo seems to function very well when left to his own devices, doesn't he?

Secrets - Always Troublesome - Begin to Surface.
As Gondolin and Nargothrond are being made, Galadriel stays in Doriath and speaks often with Melian; but Galadriel is hiding secrets. Melian looks into Galadriel's soul, and finally she speaks about the Exile: but not of the Oath or the Kinslaying. Melain discusses these tiding with Thingol, who grieves for Finwe but takes no heed of Melain's warning against the dangers inexorably entwined with the sons of Feanor.

**"Their swords and their counsels shall have two edges." Despite Melian's words, Thingol is *STILL* not forewarned. Why is Thingol so...for lack of a better word...dense?
**"Of his (Feanor's) sons I hear little to my pleasure; yet they are likely to prove the deadliest of foes to our foe." What does this statement say about Thingol's ethics, his motives, his values? And that Melian simply accepts this statement with the comment above...?

Murder Will Out: Thingol Hears the Truth

Morgoth gleefully sends forth tidings of his own - dirty details of the deeds of the Noldor. The Sindar begin to talk, and Cirdan hears some troubling tales. Sensing unrest and malice centered on the Noldor houses, he sends cautionary word to Thingol. Finrod, visiting his kinsman, bears the first brunt of Thingol's anger; yet he keeps silent. Angrod, however, does not: still stung by the brash rudeness of Caranthir, he bears the sons of Feanor no love - and tells all of the damning events. Thingol now realizes that the Noldor were never messengers, and that his own kin were trodden underfoot. In his anger Thingol tells the sons of Finarfin to leave, and return when his heart cools. But he bans the Quenya tongue, as the language of slayers and betrayers.

**Keeping the Girdle laced up tight: the shadow of the house of Feanor? Or, considering the personalities of Thingol and Melian, inevitable?
**And this about Melian: she foretells so many things, sees the heirs of Feanor as dangerous, saying, "They (the Silmarils) shall not be recovered, I foretell, by the power of the Eldar; and the world shall be broken in battles that are to come, ere they are wrested from Morgoth..." Yet, when the day is done "they spoke no more of this matter." Wait? What? Is it the time to 'no longer speak' of these things - ummm, like 'looming destruction'? What the heck is going on here?
**Banning the melodic Quenya tongue and branding it criminal in Doriath: an act of pique, or something with deeper, divisive political implications?

Finrod Gets a Bad Feeling

Galadriel comes to Nargothrond for a visit when it was done (Gondolin not yet so) and asks Finrod (called 'the Faithful') why he has no wife. Though there is one that he loves, left behind in Valinor, Finrod receives a chilling foresight, and speaks..."An oath too shall I swear, and must be free to fulfill it, and go into darkness. Nor shall anything of my realm endure that a son should inherit."

**Why do you think Ulmo picked Finrod, among other Elves, to live in Nargothrond?
**Can't quite make this out: where does the 'foresight' come from: is it some sort of vision/intuition, or does someone send Finrod that message?

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Manwe, when asked a simple "Yes" or "No" question, contemplated, and responded "the middle one."

Subject User Time
Silmarillion Chapter 15: Of the Noldor in Beleriand Brethil Send a private message to Brethil May 26 2013, 10:16am
    a (few) early thoughts telain Send a private message to telain May 27 2013, 12:19am
        The Cold War in Beleriand noWizardme Send a private message to noWizardme May 27 2013, 9:23am
            Disappearing Elves CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG May 27 2013, 7:10pm
                More Elf circus acts.... Brethil Send a private message to Brethil May 28 2013, 1:11am
            Love your Cold War analogies Furuncurunir Brethil Send a private message to Brethil May 28 2013, 12:41am
            I like the comparison to the Cold War telain Send a private message to telain May 28 2013, 2:58pm
                Cold War and uneasiness: a reader poll CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Jun 4 2013, 11:58am
        Prophecies and people CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG May 27 2013, 7:01pm
            Maybe vague, but maybe not unwise... telain Send a private message to telain May 28 2013, 5:45pm
                Yes sador Send a private message to sador May 28 2013, 5:52pm
            ulmo, foresight, vagueness, and thorin seaweedshield Maciliel Send a private message to Maciliel May 28 2013, 8:15pm
                Thorin Seaweedshield... Brethil Send a private message to Brethil May 28 2013, 11:42pm
                    Prophecies with wiggle room - love it noWizardme Send a private message to noWizardme May 29 2013, 1:44pm
        Have been looking forward to posting back! Brethil Send a private message to Brethil May 28 2013, 12:29am
    Answers sador Send a private message to sador May 27 2013, 2:44pm
        Everybody loves Finrod CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG May 27 2013, 7:22pm
        Thoughts in response Sador Brethil Send a private message to Brethil May 28 2013, 12:53am
    Of Gondolin and random chapters CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG May 27 2013, 5:58pm
        Some ideas back at you CG! Brethil Send a private message to Brethil May 28 2013, 1:04am
        Bombshell Voronwë_the_Faithful Send a private message to Voronwë_the_Faithful May 28 2013, 1:22am
            Excellent point by CG Brethil Send a private message to Brethil May 28 2013, 1:51am
                Not really Voronwë_the_Faithful Send a private message to Voronwë_the_Faithful May 28 2013, 2:29am
                    I do think your guess is probably right... Brethil Send a private message to Brethil May 28 2013, 2:41am
                        It's ironic CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG May 28 2013, 3:08am
            And Unfinished Tales, page 32: sador Send a private message to sador May 28 2013, 3:04am
                That part is pure Tolkien Voronwë_the_Faithful Send a private message to Voronwë_the_Faithful May 28 2013, 3:57am
            Gnomes? noWizardme Send a private message to noWizardme May 28 2013, 10:48am
                "Gnomes" was Tolkien's early name for the Noldor sador Send a private message to sador May 28 2013, 11:53am
                    Gnomes = Noldor. Thanks. Now trying to imagine Elrond as a garden ornament, with wheelbarrow or fishing rod... // noWizardme Send a private message to noWizardme May 28 2013, 12:26pm
                        You've thought up a whole new line of Tolkien merchandise. // CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG May 28 2013, 1:00pm
                    He never completely rejected the idea Voronwë_the_Faithful Send a private message to Voronwë_the_Faithful May 28 2013, 12:50pm
                        Spoilsport! sador Send a private message to sador May 28 2013, 1:06pm
                            Sorry // Voronwë_the_Faithful Send a private message to Voronwë_the_Faithful May 28 2013, 1:28pm
    Of dirty secrets and politics CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG May 27 2013, 6:41pm
        Hmmm - about that foresight bit....(good question...) Brethil Send a private message to Brethil May 28 2013, 4:07am
    Ulmo's competence and maturity makes the rest of the Valar look bad... Faenoriel Send a private message to Faenoriel Jun 3 2013, 12:57am
        Oops! Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Jun 3 2013, 1:24am
        Welcome back! sador Send a private message to sador Jun 3 2013, 7:16am
        Welcome back, Faenoriel!! Ardamírë Send a private message to Ardamírë Jun 3 2013, 2:28pm
        There's a listing of the early discussion threads... noWizardme Send a private message to noWizardme Jun 3 2013, 3:59pm
    One big question is CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Jun 4 2013, 2:07pm
        Would love some more stories... Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Jun 4 2013, 5:48pm
            sounds like possible Symposium topics to me! telain Send a private message to telain Jun 4 2013, 11:34pm
                Those looming Indexes... Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Jun 5 2013, 12:11am

 
 
 

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