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Arannir
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May 25 2013, 12:02pm
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Lilly on Tauriel
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http://www.totalfilm.com/...-desolation-of-smaug
Did anyone read the whole interview?
Btw: They need to start promoting this movie more...
“A dragon is no idle fancy. Whatever may be his origins, in fact or invention, the dragon in legend is a potent creation of men’s imagination, richer in significance than his barrow is in gold.” J.R.R. Tolkien
Words of wisdom that should be remembered - both by critics, purists and anyone in between.
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Estel78
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May 25 2013, 1:02pm
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I hope Lilly gets a better fashion consultant for the TDOS premiere. ;) //
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geordie
Tol Eressea
May 25 2013, 4:39pm
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I think this film is getting just the right amount of promotion - in fact I reckon they ought to tone it down a bit.
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Arannir
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May 25 2013, 4:45pm
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... would be more fitting, I guess ;)
“A dragon is no idle fancy. Whatever may be his origins, in fact or invention, the dragon in legend is a potent creation of men’s imagination, richer in significance than his barrow is in gold.” J.R.R. Tolkien
Words of wisdom that should be remembered - both by critics, purists and anyone in between.
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moonrunes
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May 25 2013, 5:06pm
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The character of Tauriel is reminding me of the elf Arya from the Inheritance cycle
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JWPlatt
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May 25 2013, 5:16pm
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Just reading what little there is on that page, I get the impression that Tauriel is Boyens' Mary Sue.
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geordie
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May 25 2013, 5:25pm
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Hmm.. I thought that Galadriel was Boyen's mary Sue
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- but I see what you mean. BTW - I love the way Lilly comes up with all those ages, of Tauriel and Legolas etc. Seems very confident of her information.
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Otaku-sempai
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May 25 2013, 6:14pm
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An age for Legolas was given in the film guide.
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It is not-canonical as far as Tolkien's timeline is concerned, but if I remember right, Legolas was given the birthyear of TA 87.
'There are older and fouler things than Orcs in the deep places of the world.' - Gandalf the Grey, The Fellowship of the Ring
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Arannir
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May 25 2013, 6:19pm
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... is what actors and directors do for background on characters even if that background is not given in the source material. They also do it for Shakespeare characters, for example.
And particularly for Tauriel's character it is important, since as it was mentioned in the Sneak Peek, she is supposed to be a representativs of the "normal" Woodelves with a less noble ancestry than Thranduil and Legolas.
“A dragon is no idle fancy. Whatever may be his origins, in fact or invention, the dragon in legend is a potent creation of men’s imagination, richer in significance than his barrow is in gold.” J.R.R. Tolkien
Words of wisdom that should be remembered - both by critics, purists and anyone in between.
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jimmyfenn
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May 25 2013, 8:21pm
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the idea of a elf as a ruthless killer, i dont think fits in with what elves stand for, by her very nature she would be the complete opposite, no?
sorry to be a pain, what orcs are these? is it a screen grab from lotr?
http://lotr.wikia.com/...217_1235487333_n.jpg
"You Tolkien to me?!" - Hobbit de Niro
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burgahobbit
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May 25 2013, 8:30pm
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Hopefully it just means that she hates orcs with a bitter passion land fights them like the rest of the elves. I mean, isn't Legolas a pretty ruthless killer too? How much worse could it be?
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DanielLB
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May 25 2013, 8:35pm
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Is from one of The Hobbit film guides. It's not from LOTR.
It's also important to remember that not all Elves are as glorious as Arwen and Elrond - Tolkien wrote Elves with all different personalities - including wicked, mad and bad Elves. Take Feanor and his sons, for instance - Curufin tried to kill Luthien and Feanor killed his own kin (even Galadriel was a rebel)! Additionally, Maeglin and Eol both did horrible deeds - helping Melkor destroy Gondolin and killing his wife while trying to kill his son, respectively.
By and large, Elves are a benevolent race. But Elves can be evil, despite being pre-disposed toward good (and this is explored outside of LOTR and TH). And they have all always been very good at fighting the enemy regardless of being "good" or "bad".
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GiantMushroomBear
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May 25 2013, 8:36pm
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the idea of a elf as a ruthless killer, i dont think fits in with what elves stand for, by her very nature she would be the complete opposite, no? sorry to be a pain, what orcs are these? is it a screen grab from lotr? http://lotr.wikia.com/...217_1235487333_n.jpg
This is from DOS, from a while ago
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Arannir
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May 25 2013, 9:37pm
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Not at all when I look into the Sil and the history of the Elves in general. Especially when it goes against Orcs.
“A dragon is no idle fancy. Whatever may be his origins, in fact or invention, the dragon in legend is a potent creation of men’s imagination, richer in significance than his barrow is in gold.” J.R.R. Tolkien
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Otaku-sempai
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May 25 2013, 9:45pm
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Taking into account Lilly's comments...
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Given EL's comment about Tauriel being a "ruthless killer", if I were writing her up as a player character for the The One Ring role-playing game, I might assign her the Calling of Slayer.
You or your family have suffered a terrible loss at another's hands. You have become an adventurer take your revenge on whoever wronged you, or maybe just to leave behind a life that you are not able to enjoy any more. Yours is a difficult path to tread, as what you have been through makes it hard to give your trust to anybody.
I wonder how much background story we will get for Tauriel?
'There are older and fouler things than Orcs in the deep places of the world.' - Gandalf the Grey, The Fellowship of the Ring
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jimmyfenn
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May 25 2013, 9:52pm
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true, but to base an elfs character on the fact she kills things, seems wrong to me.
"You Tolkien to me?!" - Hobbit de Niro
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Fàfnir
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May 25 2013, 10:03pm
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Oh, you changed your picture ?
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I was completely in love with the elf on your former avatar !
I'll miss her... but my opinion was kinda biased concerning your posts because of her, so I guess it's better that way
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jimmyfenn
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May 25 2013, 10:11pm
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its odd how profile pictures can make you see posters differently!
i thought id better update it for the next film, but ill probably change it, maybe a bit too agressive!
scary profile pictures makes me think the posters are scary too lol
"You Tolkien to me?!" - Hobbit de Niro
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dik-dik
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May 25 2013, 10:21pm
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Did anyone read the whole interview?
Honestly, I didn't. I saw the headline about a 'ruthless killer' on the first page, which made me lose interest instantly.
To be frank, with every new word I hear about her, Tauriel makes less and less sense to me as a character, and more and more resembles a character from a highly unoriginal fanfic story. I must second Jimmyfenn, I fail to see anything Elvish about her, and find it sad that it seems to be negative traits that define her character so far. So far she sounds to me like a mentally unstable assassin from a PC game, hardly seasoned or wise enough to be chieftain material.
I wonder if she's meant to be a likeable character at all.
"A journalist once asked me what I would like my epitaph to be and I said I think I would like it to be 'He did very little harm'. And that's not easy. Most people seem to me to do a great deal of harm. If I could be remembered as having done very little, that would suit me." ~ Paul Eddington
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Arannir
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May 25 2013, 10:25pm
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I cannot get over Lusitanos change from Asterix to Jesus :))))
“A dragon is no idle fancy. Whatever may be his origins, in fact or invention, the dragon in legend is a potent creation of men’s imagination, richer in significance than his barrow is in gold.” J.R.R. Tolkien
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SirDennisC
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May 25 2013, 10:56pm
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Legolas was described as a "murderous elf"
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it was in Vanity Fair (the Viggo ROTK cover) or perhaps in one of Bloom issues of GQ... I thought it strange at the time, but also an apt description.
In any event, killing seems ruthless by nature. The best warriors however are known for their willingness to extend mercy -- their killing is efficient more so than motivated by hatred -- and their gentleness outside of battle.
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Lusitano
Tol Eressea
May 25 2013, 11:08pm
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i was having a Jesus moment, so ...Time to go Messiah
Before Asterix i had a flemish painting.
But i resemble more Jesus than the smartest of the gauls.
Jimmyfen : what the...LOL...is that ..does that head belong to Tauriel??  
Azog Kills Tauriel...Bolg Kills his Azog, because daddy is mean to him...Bolg kills Radagast...
As to the Tauriel matter...does this mean she wont be the gaurd at the elven prison, who gets drunk on wine and falls asleep?
Hum...maybe she will get drunk with Legolas and both will fall asleep...
Vous commencez à m'ennuyer avec le port!!!
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Súlimë
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May 26 2013, 8:29am
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I'm not liking all the Tauriel news that I'm seeing, but I can't help but think that we may all be jumping to conclusions here...
PJ's done a decent job with everything so far, so I don't think Tauriel will be that bad.
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DwellerInDale
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May 26 2013, 9:00am
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The entire interview doesn't have much more than the excerpt, so I hope no one bought the magazine just to read the interview.
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I really would like people to stop jumping to conclusions about Tauriel...wait for the finished film.
Don't mess with my favorite female elf.
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