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I swear just as much of the additional materil was actually taken from sources other than the appendices.

malickfan
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May 18 2013, 7:57pm


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I swear just as much of the additional materil was actually taken from sources other than the appendices. [In reply to] Can't Post

For example:

The fact that Thorin carries an Oakensheild is not mentioned in the appendices, but is in the earlier versions of the appendices-publsihed in The Peoples of Middle Earth (something the writers have no rights to use)

Almost everything about Radagast is included in Unfinished Tales and Of The Rings of Power and The Third Age (The Sil)-again something they have no right to use, but since PJ and Co reffered to the writings about Radagst being intriguing one can only assume that was what they were refering to-Radagast isn't mentioned in the appendices at all. Though Radagast warning Gandallf on the Road was actually in the Fellowship book, and as far as I can remeber he was never suggested to have played a major part in the doings of the white council.

Bolg being the Torturer of Dol Goldur is totally made up, but according to the entry on him in The History of The Hobbit, Bolg roughly translates as 'Torture-Torment' or soldier of toment (from memory My copy isn;t to hand at the mo) in the Language lexicon's of the Book of Lost Tales (again something they don't have the rights to), it also suggests that Bolg was inspired by the 'Boldog' mentioned in the Lay of Leithian-the Boldog Tolkien suggested in a late essay were reincarnated fallen Maia spirits in the Service of Morgoth...I wonder possible inspiration for Azog?

Gandalf's fears about Smaug being utilsed by The Necromancer, and him noticing the change in Bilbo's character are again taken from Unfinsihed Tales.

Some of the dialogue 'You know I once caught her making off with my silver spoons?' 'Radagast that Fool' is lifted directly from, or reffering to, events taking place within the book of LOTR.

Gandalf noting that the trolls were moving down from the mountains and his feelings of increasing evl on the move seem to be inspired by the strange rumours and troubling tales the hobbits increasingily hear during Frodo's thirties in the beggining of the FOTR book

Whilst i won't deny it was kinda cool to see some of this stuff I agree about PJ and Co's comments- my biggest problem with the film isn't really with the film-it's the way they are using vague notes written decades after The book's publcation as justification for the way they are rewriting the story, and not being totally honest about it, especially since there is little evidence Tolkien ever intened the notes in the appendices and elsewhere as being anything more than notes standing apart from the book.

As I said above if he felt it was that important to include such references he could have done it, or at least issued instructions/permission to his literay exicutors.

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Why didn't they state in the credits The Movie was partly based/'inspired' by addtional material taken from LOTR and its appendices? malickfan Send a private message to malickfan May 17 2013, 6:09pm
    Short answer... Darkstone Send a private message to Darkstone May 17 2013, 6:45pm
        Fair enough I guess that makes sense... malickfan Send a private message to malickfan May 17 2013, 7:11pm
            er? jimmyfenn Send a private message to jimmyfenn May 17 2013, 7:19pm
                Even Cate Blanchett describes the movies as "The Hobbit...and something else" Eleniel Send a private message to Eleniel May 17 2013, 9:56pm
                    interesting interviews Dwarvenfury Send a private message to Dwarvenfury May 18 2013, 1:43am
                        Tolkien rewrote a couple chapters Sinister71 Send a private message to Sinister71 May 18 2013, 2:13am
                            well that's curious. Dwarvenfury Send a private message to Dwarvenfury May 18 2013, 2:50am
                            The 2 Chapters from the 1960's rewrite is defintitely worth reading (The History of The Hobbit is more than equal to the HOME)... malickfan Send a private message to malickfan May 18 2013, 7:28pm
                    The sad part is... Sinister71 Send a private message to Sinister71 May 18 2013, 2:01am
                        I swear just as much of the additional materil was actually taken from sources other than the appendices. malickfan Send a private message to malickfan May 18 2013, 7:57pm
                            Minor corrections Otaku-sempai Send a private message to Otaku-sempai May 18 2013, 8:30pm
                            And major correction DwellerInDale Send a private message to DwellerInDale May 19 2013, 6:34am
                                Bolg Yngwulff Send a private message to Yngwulff May 19 2013, 8:08am
                                Yes but Compare that to the version in Peoples: malickfan Send a private message to malickfan May 20 2013, 8:39am

 
 
 

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