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"Law and Arda" by Douglas Kane: for discussion May 28th
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Brethil
Half-elven


May 14 2013, 12:53pm

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"Law and Arda" by Douglas Kane: for discussion May 28th Can't Post

Hello Reading Room!

A recent thread about the latest issue of Tolkien Studies prompted our very own Voronwe the Faithful, author Douglas Kane, to generously make his 2012 Tolkien Studies article "Law and Arda" available to us for discussion.

Its a fascinating article, covering various points in law and government in Middle Earth, in relation to such (timely!) things as Bilbo's contract and the legality of Bilbo's lifting of the Cup from Smaug. I will post a summary of the article to begin the discussion.

I will forward a copy of the article via PM to anyone interested in joining in. Its a good-sized piece, so I will plan on posting the thread May 28th, thus giving anyone who would like to get started a chance to read the article through.

Should be great! Smile If you need a copy PM me and it shall be yours!

Manwe, when asked a simple "Yes" or "No" question, contemplated, and responded "the middle one."


Maciliel
Valinor


May 14 2013, 12:57pm

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thanks for running herd on this one... [In reply to] Can't Post

 
thanks for running herd on this one, brethil tengwadil. : )

mark me as one of the riders.


cheers (and thanks) ---


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aka. fili orc-enshield
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the scene, as i understand it, is exceptionally well-written. fili (in sort of a callback to the scene with the eagles), calls out "thorRIIIIIIN!!!" just as he sees the pale orc veer in for the kill. he picks up the severed arm of an orc which is lying on the ground, swings it up in desperation, effectively blocking the pale orc's blow. and thus, forever after, fili is known as "fili orc-enshield."

this earns him deep respect from his hard-to-please uncle. as well as a hug. kili wipes his boots on the pale orc's glory box. -- maciliel telpemairo


Brethil
Half-elven


May 14 2013, 12:59pm

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Yay! [In reply to] Can't Post

Glad to run in your herd any day Telpemairo! Forwarding in a flash.

Manwe, when asked a simple "Yes" or "No" question, contemplated, and responded "the middle one."


Voronwë_the_Faithful
Valinor

May 14 2013, 2:03pm

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I'll be an interested bystander [In reply to] Can't Post

Though I will be happy to answer any questions that anyone has, or clarify things that are unclear.

'But very bright were the stars upon the margin of the world, when at times the clouds about the West were drawn aside.'

The Hall of Fire


Brethil
Half-elven


May 14 2013, 3:26pm

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"Interesting" bystander perhaps? [In reply to] Can't Post


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Though I will be happy to answer any questions that anyone has, or clarify things that are unclear.




Thanks Voronwe! Smile

Manwe, when asked a simple "Yes" or "No" question, contemplated, and responded "the middle one."


SirDennisC
Half-elven


May 14 2013, 8:56pm

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Thank you for taking point on this. [In reply to] Can't Post

PM sent.

Smile


Brethil
Half-elven


May 14 2013, 11:50pm

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Happy to do so! [In reply to] Can't Post

Smile

Manwe, when asked a simple "Yes" or "No" question, contemplated, and responded "the middle one."


noWizardme
Tol Eressea


May 15 2013, 1:12pm

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...and thank you for generously making your work available.// [In reply to] Can't Post

 

Disclaimers: The words of noWizardme may stand on their heads! I'm often wrong about things, and its fun to be taught more....

"nowimë I am in the West, Furincurunir to the Dwarves (or at least, to their best friend) and by other names in other lands. Mostly they just say 'Oh no it's him - look busy!' "


telain
Rohan

May 15 2013, 3:44pm

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You have my PM!// [In reply to] Can't Post

 


telain
Rohan

May 15 2013, 3:44pm

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and thank you!// [In reply to] Can't Post

 


CuriousG
Valinor


May 15 2013, 5:34pm

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Yes, thank you for making it available to us! [In reply to] Can't Post

I've given it a quick read at lunch and am impressed at how fully you treated the topic. Looking forward to the discussion.


noWizardme
Tol Eressea


May 15 2013, 6:55pm

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"You have my PM"...And MY axe. No hang on, that's something else... // [In reply to] Can't Post

 

Disclaimers: The words of noWizardme may stand on their heads! I'm often wrong about things, and its fun to be taught more....

"nowimë I am in the West, Furincurunir to the Dwarves (or at least, to their best friend) and by other names in other lands. Mostly they just say 'Oh no it's him - look busy!' "


telain
Rohan

May 15 2013, 10:47pm

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very glad someone got that!// [In reply to] Can't Post

 


Voronwë_the_Faithful
Valinor

May 15 2013, 11:44pm

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I go it // [In reply to] Can't Post

 

'But very bright were the stars upon the margin of the world, when at times the clouds about the West were drawn aside.'

The Hall of Fire


Brethil
Half-elven


May 15 2013, 11:49pm

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NoWiz beat me to the line there....! [In reply to] Can't Post

As is his wont!

Should shape up to be a lovely discussion as quite a few people have expressed interest!

Manwe, when asked a simple "Yes" or "No" question, contemplated, and responded "the middle one."


noWizardme
Tol Eressea


May 16 2013, 8:23am

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*bows politely* ... Ah, it seems you have my bow as well now.....// [In reply to] Can't Post

 

Disclaimers: The words of noWizardme may stand on their heads! I'm often wrong about things, and its fun to be taught more....

"nowimë I am in the West, Furincurunir to the Dwarves (or at least, to their best friend) and by other names in other lands. Mostly they just say 'Oh no it's him - look busy!' "


elaen32
Gondor


May 16 2013, 8:32am

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You carry the fate of us all [In reply to] Can't Post

If this is truely the will of the Reading Room, then the TORNsibs will see it done!Laugh
Sorry, had to continue the theme!Wink

"Beneath the roof of sleeping leaves the dreams of trees unfold"


CuriousG
Valinor


May 16 2013, 12:37pm

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I was clueless, alas, but finally figured it out. // [In reply to] Can't Post

 


Brethil
Half-elven


May 16 2013, 1:01pm

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Great! [In reply to] Can't Post


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If this is truely the will of the Reading Room, then the TORNsibs will see it done!Laugh
Sorry, had to continue the theme!Wink




Now...where are we going? CrazyWink

Manwe, when asked a simple "Yes" or "No" question, contemplated, and responded "the middle one."


telain
Rohan

May 16 2013, 2:52pm

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now that is a question... [In reply to] Can't Post

...that does not need answering! (not yet anyway...)


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Now...where are we going?



telain
Rohan

May 16 2013, 2:55pm

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no apologies needed! [In reply to] Can't Post

Especially since I seem to be the one who has started this discussion... thread... thing.


Voronwë_the_Faithful
Valinor

May 16 2013, 3:02pm

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I'm certainly curious to learn the answer! // [In reply to] Can't Post

 

'But very bright were the stars upon the margin of the world, when at times the clouds about the West were drawn aside.'

The Hall of Fire


elaen32
Gondor


May 16 2013, 3:04pm

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Does this make us all "people of intelligence"?/ [In reply to] Can't Post

 

"Beneath the roof of sleeping leaves the dreams of trees unfold"


Brethil
Half-elven


May 16 2013, 4:46pm

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I see Randalf raising his eyebrows... [In reply to] Can't Post

...so having voiced Pippin I might be ruled out! Wink

Manwe, when asked a simple "Yes" or "No" question, contemplated, and responded "the middle one."

(This post was edited by Brethil on May 16 2013, 4:53pm)


CuriousG
Valinor


May 16 2013, 5:47pm

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I was being too polite to comment. // [In reply to] Can't Post

 

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