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Errrrr. . . what men were EVER on The Council of The Wise??! WHAT The ANGBAND!??

AinurOlorin
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May 13 2013, 5:18am


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Errrrr. . . what men were EVER on The Council of The Wise??! WHAT The ANGBAND!?? Can't Post

Love some of the new Hobbit Icons, by the way.


But, allright. . . I love Galadriel, God knows I do, and she is one of the most awesome and mighty people in Middle-Earth. . . but I am all but waiting for Phillipa Boyens to tell us that she was responsible for the formation of Arda. The details keep getting more and more sketch.


Elves, Wizards and MEN???? What Men were ever on The Council? You have to watch those clips from the Japanese site an earlier poster added, but Ms. Boyens talks about Galadriel having gathered Men along with the Elves and Wizards of The Council. . . can someone please tell me what version of the lore she is getting her information from, because I have NEVER heard such things.

"Hear me, hounds of Sauron, Gandalf is here! Fly if you value your foul skins, I will shrivel you from tail to snout if you step within this circle!"

"Do not be to eager to deal out death in judgement. Even the very wise cannot see all ends."

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Errrrr. . . what men were EVER on The Council of The Wise??! WHAT The ANGBAND!?? AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin May 13 2013, 5:18am
    Tolkien wrote something along the lines of emre43 Send a private message to emre43 May 13 2013, 7:21am
        hhhmmmmm boldog Send a private message to boldog May 13 2013, 7:30am
            Whoops, forgot about Elrond, Tolkien also mentioned him as a member emre43 Send a private message to emre43 May 14 2013, 7:46am
        Whomever was current Chief of the Northern Rangers? Otaku-sempai Send a private message to Otaku-sempai May 13 2013, 7:56am
        I forgot that Cirdan was part of the council Ziggy Stardust Send a private message to Ziggy Stardust May 14 2013, 1:37am
            Cirdan JWPlatt May 14 2013, 2:38am
                Huh? Arannir Send a private message to Arannir May 14 2013, 9:35am
                    one word... Sinister71 Send a private message to Sinister71 May 15 2013, 4:16pm
                        Sexist Agenda Arannir Send a private message to Arannir May 15 2013, 4:32pm
                            Considering Boyens wrote the character I feel she deserves the majority of the blame Sinister71 Send a private message to Sinister71 May 15 2013, 5:20pm
                                Well, again... Arannir Send a private message to Arannir May 15 2013, 6:15pm
                                    I don't mind expansion when its based on something from Tolkien. Sinister71 Send a private message to Sinister71 May 15 2013, 8:08pm
                                        Well yes, we are going in circles with this. Arannir Send a private message to Arannir May 15 2013, 9:08pm
                                            As a female Elenorflower Send a private message to Elenorflower May 17 2013, 4:59pm
                            Not So Much Hyperbole JWPlatt May 15 2013, 5:20pm
                            God I hope not. I don't mind her being in the film, or taking the place of an unnamed guard, but to hear her dare to speak Glorfindels' AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin May 16 2013, 6:50am
                        Boys' Own Story and Galadriel JWPlatt May 15 2013, 5:17pm
                            I think the root for a lot of the added scruitny does deal with some of Phillipa's comments. AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin May 16 2013, 7:02am
                                Galadriel's Irony JWPlatt May 16 2013, 7:40am
                                    Amen to so much of this. AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin May 17 2013, 3:39am
                                        Emasculation JWPlatt May 17 2013, 5:07am
                                            Emasculation, Continued JWPlatt May 17 2013, 5:22am
                                            Well.... as I am female..... dormouse Send a private message to dormouse May 17 2013, 11:09am
                                                Yes, I agree Dormouse... elaen32 Send a private message to elaen32 May 17 2013, 1:37pm
                                                The Roots Of Histrionics And Hysteria JWPlatt May 17 2013, 3:52pm
                                        Maybe this was done to reconcile TH Gandalf with the one from RotK? ;) dik-dik Send a private message to dik-dik May 17 2013, 9:52am
                                        The dress Elessar Send a private message to Elessar May 17 2013, 12:58pm
                    Enough of the name-calling. Ataahua Send a private message to Ataahua May 15 2013, 7:40pm
                        I am sorry, Ataahua. Arannir Send a private message to Arannir May 15 2013, 9:03pm
                Tolkien never placed Cirdan at the Council of Elrond either... Otaku-sempai Send a private message to Otaku-sempai May 14 2013, 12:35pm
                    grammaboodawg's photo site Loresilme Send a private message to Loresilme May 14 2013, 5:06pm
                        Thanks, gramma' Otaku-sempai Send a private message to Otaku-sempai May 14 2013, 8:44pm
    The Dunedain chieftains? DeadRabbits Send a private message to DeadRabbits May 13 2013, 8:03am
        Bomby agrees..Dunedain...YES!/// Bombadil Send a private message to Bombadil May 13 2013, 8:20am
            No, therein were The Istari, "Galadriel, Cirdan, and Elrond, and other Lords of The Eldar. . . " Glorfindel speaks AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin May 15 2013, 3:52am
        Technically speaking, emre43 Send a private message to emre43 May 14 2013, 7:50am
            Aragorn at 10 years old... Otaku-sempai Send a private message to Otaku-sempai May 14 2013, 12:40pm
    Well, it could just be a slip of the tongue.... dormouse Send a private message to dormouse May 13 2013, 8:26am
        Radagast Otaku-sempai Send a private message to Otaku-sempai May 13 2013, 3:56pm
        Relaxed JWPlatt May 13 2013, 4:07pm
        He limits it specifically to Istari and Lords of The Eldar. Galadriel, Elrond AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin May 15 2013, 3:56am
            No, I don't think that's quite right.... dormouse Send a private message to dormouse May 15 2013, 8:44am
                He does not include them. No, he doesn't say "no man ever," and by that logic, you could AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin May 16 2013, 6:26am
                    I wouldn't say 'disapprove' exactly..... dormouse Send a private message to dormouse May 16 2013, 8:15am
                        Trying to put some things in perspective. Arannir Send a private message to Arannir May 16 2013, 10:22am
                            Pardon my Grammar Arannir Send a private message to Arannir May 16 2013, 11:29am
                            I was with you up until that Tauriel, Glorfindel business. AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin May 17 2013, 3:54am
                                Again. Arannir Send a private message to Arannir May 17 2013, 8:35am
                                    Perhaps think of it this way Yngwulff Send a private message to Yngwulff May 17 2013, 9:01am
                                    I have not commented on sexism, per se. As to vomit AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin May 17 2013, 7:39pm
                        Ditto for the most part Elessar Send a private message to Elessar May 16 2013, 1:07pm
                            Does being critical of a film make someone a negative person? imin Send a private message to imin May 16 2013, 1:38pm
                                It does depend Elessar Send a private message to Elessar May 16 2013, 2:51pm
                                    Yeah i agree imin Send a private message to imin May 16 2013, 4:09pm
                                        I'm with ya on that Elessar Send a private message to Elessar May 16 2013, 4:23pm
                                            RR Starling Send a private message to Starling May 16 2013, 6:22pm
                                                That makes sense. Elessar Send a private message to Elessar May 16 2013, 6:46pm
                                                    The only other thing is Starling Send a private message to Starling May 16 2013, 7:01pm
                                                        I'm gonna have to practice. lol Elessar Send a private message to Elessar May 16 2013, 7:09pm
                        Negativity can be habitual, but the blanket "its all good, why must you complain" sentiment AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin May 17 2013, 3:45am
            Celeborn is implied as well... dik-dik Send a private message to dik-dik May 15 2013, 9:34am
    I do not find it un-reasonable... Arannir Send a private message to Arannir May 13 2013, 10:13am
    Reference JWPlatt May 13 2013, 2:50pm
        here Arannir Send a private message to Arannir May 13 2013, 2:56pm
            Gah JWPlatt May 13 2013, 3:07pm
                How lovely. Arannir Send a private message to Arannir May 13 2013, 3:13pm
                No direct link DanielLB Send a private message to DanielLB May 13 2013, 3:18pm
        Sexist agenda? Súlimë Send a private message to Súlimë May 14 2013, 8:42am
            She's a girl totoro Send a private message to totoro May 15 2013, 5:46am
    Re: men at councils dik-dik Send a private message to dik-dik May 13 2013, 3:00pm
        Well, the absences bother me as well. This is more a quip about the lore reports of Phillipa. . . AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin May 15 2013, 4:00am
            I generally avoid crew interviews analysing Tolkien's work... dik-dik Send a private message to dik-dik May 15 2013, 10:01am
    Alliance Versus White Council JWPlatt May 13 2013, 3:48pm
    Hobbits too. Darkstone Send a private message to Darkstone May 13 2013, 4:21pm
    Seriously though The Mitch King Send a private message to The Mitch King May 14 2013, 6:40pm
        Dunno Darkstone Send a private message to Darkstone May 14 2013, 7:07pm
            And forbidden to seek to dominate men by force or by fear. . . (generally) limited to AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin May 15 2013, 4:08am
                Proof by Balrog Darkstone Send a private message to Darkstone May 15 2013, 1:11pm
                    Glorfindel died i thought? imin Send a private message to imin May 15 2013, 2:21pm
                        Yep. Darkstone Send a private message to Darkstone May 15 2013, 2:36pm
                            The Details of the Ecthellion account are also subject to scrutiny, as the only AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin May 16 2013, 6:46am
                                I always find it funny. Darkstone Send a private message to Darkstone May 16 2013, 1:54pm
                                    Tolkien's LETTERS and ruminations AFTER the publications of Rings are what I bring up NOT Rough AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin May 17 2013, 4:07am
                    That logic doesn't hold. Glorfindel also perished in his battle. And there is no reason AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin May 16 2013, 6:32am
                        Yes, it does. Darkstone Send a private message to Darkstone May 16 2013, 1:25pm
                            How so? dik-dik Send a private message to dik-dik May 16 2013, 4:31pm
                                BoLT II: Darkstone Send a private message to Darkstone May 16 2013, 4:48pm
                                    But he was still killed by the balrog, eventhough he dealt it a mortal wound... dik-dik Send a private message to dik-dik May 16 2013, 10:12pm
                                        This is how i read it. // imin Send a private message to imin May 16 2013, 10:51pm
                                        See my above for why there are MASSIVE problems with our friend's reading of events. AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin May 17 2013, 4:12am
                                        Yes. Darkstone Send a private message to Darkstone May 17 2013, 1:55pm
                                            Would Glorfindel survive the fall from the bridge in Moria? imin Send a private message to imin May 17 2013, 3:36pm
                                                Not if his Balrog was dead. Darkstone Send a private message to Darkstone May 17 2013, 3:52pm
                                                    You know darn well that the Balrogs that appears in the 1917 -1920 Fall of Gondolin story AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin May 17 2013, 6:57pm
                                                        You're still in time out. Darkstone Send a private message to Darkstone May 17 2013, 7:06pm
                                                        You Tiger JWPlatt May 17 2013, 7:11pm
                                                            Raaawr AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin May 17 2013, 7:44pm
                                                            AinurOlorin Elessar Send a private message to Elessar May 17 2013, 7:53pm
                                                                Awwww AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin May 17 2013, 10:01pm
                                                                    Virtual High Five Time Elessar Send a private message to Elessar May 17 2013, 11:06pm
                                                                        High five met and extended into a bro hug AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin May 18 2013, 7:53pm
                                                    I see it a little differently. imin Send a private message to imin May 17 2013, 9:05pm
                                                        If you mean in power, the description the trio at the head table in Rivendell seems to point towards Gandalf in my reading. dik-dik Send a private message to dik-dik May 17 2013, 10:42pm
                                                            Very true. AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin May 18 2013, 7:52pm
                                                        Very true, and well tied to the point I was making. The Balrogs of Tolkiens earliest writings are as AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin May 18 2013, 7:52pm
                                    When that was written, Tolkein was under what he later realized and firmly stated was the FALSE impression AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin May 17 2013, 4:11am
                                        Oh my, what a many-branched discussion. Still, I can't resist... dik-dik Send a private message to dik-dik May 17 2013, 10:09am
                                            But.. Darkstone Send a private message to Darkstone May 17 2013, 2:03pm
                                                Whoa, Nelly, I mean Myrtle, or is it Bongo?/// Bombadil Send a private message to Bombadil May 17 2013, 2:24pm
                                                    I liked what you originally posted better. / Darkstone Send a private message to Darkstone May 17 2013, 3:02pm
                                                Re: dik-dik Send a private message to dik-dik May 17 2013, 10:27pm
                                                    It does have a negative connotation. But weakness and false modesty are both, I think, wrong assumptions. AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin May 18 2013, 3:57am
                                                        I agree with this AO elaen32 Send a private message to elaen32 May 18 2013, 6:04am
                                                            Excellent commentary on the sense of obligation. It was a vital differentiation between he and Saruman AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin May 18 2013, 7:43pm
                                                        Re: dik-dik Send a private message to dik-dik May 18 2013, 10:15am
                                            I know it is stated in Morgoth's Ring. AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin May 17 2013, 7:55pm
                                                Yes, that's why I was amazed to find the quote on balrogs being lesser Maiar than Sauron. dik-dik Send a private message to dik-dik May 17 2013, 10:36pm
                                                    I think it is manageable and congruent. The Balrogs were amongst Melkor's mightiest servants, and AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin May 18 2013, 8:00pm
                                                        2 Points Yngwulff Send a private message to Yngwulff May 19 2013, 8:48am
                                                            not quite... dik-dik Send a private message to dik-dik May 19 2013, 12:45pm
                                                                Well said, with one caveat. The Nine were not trying to chase Gandalf off. They meant to capture AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin May 19 2013, 5:06pm
                                                            The Nine also fled Gandalf, during the day. "They drew away, for they felt the coming of my anger and they dared not AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin May 19 2013, 5:02pm
                                                                I don't mean to sound contradictory... dik-dik Send a private message to dik-dik May 19 2013, 10:37pm
                                                                    No. Stand against or withstand denotes holding back or defending against, rather than riding down. AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin May 20 2013, 5:22am
                                                                        welllll ............... Yngwulff Send a private message to Yngwulff May 20 2013, 8:46am
                                                                            Gandalf & The Witch King JWPlatt May 20 2013, 2:16pm
                                                                                READ MY WHOLE POST PLZ Yngwulff Send a private message to Yngwulff May 20 2013, 10:58pm
                                                                                    Theatrical Versus Extended Edition JWPlatt May 21 2013, 1:04am
                                                                                        here Yngwulff Send a private message to Yngwulff May 21 2013, 12:01pm
                                                                                            Editions JWPlatt May 21 2013, 1:27pm
                                                                                Amen! AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin May 21 2013, 10:18pm
                                                                                    You guys are nuts and missing the whole point Yngwulff Send a private message to Yngwulff May 23 2013, 6:13am
                                                                                        re: dik-dik Send a private message to dik-dik May 23 2013, 9:15pm
                                                                                            No Yngwulff Send a private message to Yngwulff May 24 2013, 3:39am
                                                                                                If uber technicality is brought in, it would be fair to say Gandalf is not a man, but a male Spirit wearing the shape of a man. AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin May 24 2013, 4:57am
                                                                                                    yes, that was my reading as well. dik-dik Send a private message to dik-dik May 24 2013, 8:50am
                                                                                                        No Living Man Na Vedui Send a private message to Na Vedui May 25 2013, 1:27am
                                                                            Gandalf the White is NEVER bested by The Witch King. That is erroneous, heretical Jackson apocrypha, and AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin May 21 2013, 10:14pm
                                        Double fault! Darkstone Send a private message to Darkstone May 17 2013, 1:50pm
                            Yes he was. Depends on the reading, but depending, it AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin May 17 2013, 3:57am
                                I can’t believe you just threw Glorfindel under the bus!!! Darkstone Send a private message to Darkstone May 17 2013, 1:38pm
            Also, Gandalf The White is specifically, by his own and Tolkien's account, the single most Powerful AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin May 15 2013, 4:48am
                Now you're on to something... dik-dik Send a private message to dik-dik May 15 2013, 9:54am
                    My money says the Balrog might have managed it. . . AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin May 16 2013, 6:39am
                But not Gandalf the Grey Darkstone Send a private message to Darkstone May 15 2013, 1:17pm
                    Ahh, you are cheating. Your quote was about The Wizards in general, versus Galadriel, not AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin May 16 2013, 6:42am
                        Nope. Darkstone Send a private message to Darkstone May 16 2013, 1:47pm
                            You cannot be serious, and I will have to assume you are just AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin May 17 2013, 4:02am
                                I agree with you. dik-dik Send a private message to dik-dik May 17 2013, 11:36am
                                *ding ding ding ding* Ad hominem! Folks, we have a winner!! Darkstone Send a private message to Darkstone May 17 2013, 1:44pm
            uh-oh! sounds like Elenorflower Send a private message to Elenorflower May 17 2013, 4:47pm
                Nope Darkstone Send a private message to Darkstone May 17 2013, 5:09pm
        I am so glad you shared this. Because half of the fellow Torn sibs keep trying to AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin May 15 2013, 4:05am
            But the Wizards are not in the butt-kicking business. Elizabeth Send a private message to Elizabeth May 15 2013, 6:52am
                Lol. Somone forgot to tell Gandalf, the most widely known of The Order. lol AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin May 16 2013, 6:19am
            This is not what we said in that discussion and you know it ;) Arannir Send a private message to Arannir May 15 2013, 10:46am
    Conjecture Rostron2 Send a private message to Rostron2 May 14 2013, 7:35pm
        Thizz THREAD... may go down in the Annuls of TORn as the ... Bombadil Send a private message to Bombadil May 17 2013, 2:29pm

 
 
 

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