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Good points Hamfast!

Brethil
Half-elven


May 8 2013, 11:44pm


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Good points Hamfast! [In reply to] Can't Post

And true - Saruman's clear thinking days were far behind him I suppose! What a waste!

JRRT says about Saruman: "...these wizards were incarnated in the life-forms of Middle Earth, and so suffered the same pains of mind and body. They were also, for the same reason, thus involved in the peril of he incarnate: the possibility of 'fall', of sin, if you will. The chief form this would take with them would be impatience, leading to the desire to force others to their own good ends, and so inevitably at last to mere desire to make their own wills effective by any means. To this evil Saruman succumbed." (Letter # 181)

Plus in the text of ROTK we read that Saruman is so bitter and consumed with hate, and cannot let go of, as Gandalf put it earlier, gnawing the ends of his old plots that he has put blinders on himself. It seems he cannot let go of the dark dreams he had of domination in the stamp of Sauron, and cannot step back from the failing of trying to enforce his own plans on the world in the most expedient and self-serving way possible. Though he is offered a way back, he refuses to even consider it. As a destroyer of Trees I think JRRT placed quite a brand of moral failure on Saruman, because it is such a rejection of natural life.

I think he feels a bit safe in exploiting Hobbition because of two reasons: its distance from Minas Tirith and the King being one. Two, and probably more important, because he probably projects his own disdain of Hobbits onto others, and perhaps presumes that they were only 'used' by the Wise (as Saruman would have 'used' anyone that suited him, and did use Grima) and that no one would really care what happened to them. His moral code was so warped by then he has simply no regard for life or love and can only value getting his own way.

Manwe, when asked a simple "Yes" or "No" question, contemplated, and responded "the middle one."

Subject User Time
The Scouring of the Shire Hamfast Gamgee Send a private message to Hamfast Gamgee May 8 2013, 11:17pm
    Good points Hamfast! Brethil Send a private message to Brethil May 8 2013, 11:44pm
    While I agree with Brethil's points elaen32 Send a private message to elaen32 May 9 2013, 5:22am
        That seems right to me too noWizardme Send a private message to noWizardme May 9 2013, 9:30am
            Hunger, poverty, and despair CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG May 9 2013, 11:11am
                [Hope], if aroused only enraged the monster that had consumed him noWizardme Send a private message to noWizardme May 9 2013, 11:36am
                    Frodo shows more pity than Mandos. Who's the better Ainu? :) // CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG May 9 2013, 11:54am
                    Pity.. elaen32 Send a private message to elaen32 May 9 2013, 3:10pm
                    To make that comparison CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG May 10 2013, 9:08pm
                        Yes, definately pride noWizardme Send a private message to noWizardme May 11 2013, 6:55am
                        What does Gollum want? Elizabeth Send a private message to Elizabeth May 11 2013, 7:31am
                            Good point - maybe give Saruman few miserable centuries & he'd be more ready to be pitied // noWizardme Send a private message to noWizardme May 15 2013, 5:44pm
    And about Ruffians Hamfast Gamgee Send a private message to Hamfast Gamgee May 11 2013, 10:41pm
        I know what you mean, but... noWizardme Send a private message to noWizardme May 15 2013, 1:23pm
            The ruffians may have been Half-orcs Otaku-sempai Send a private message to Otaku-sempai May 15 2013, 2:23pm
    Backed into a corner Elessar Send a private message to Elessar May 16 2013, 7:01pm
        True Yngwulff Send a private message to Yngwulff May 17 2013, 8:00am
            Two peas in a po Elessar Send a private message to Elessar May 17 2013, 12:53pm
                I like that parallel in their endings CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG May 17 2013, 1:54pm
                    I'm with ya on that Elessar Send a private message to Elessar May 17 2013, 2:45pm
                        A deep Tolkien truism. Brethil Send a private message to Brethil May 17 2013, 6:46pm
                            Hope indeed Elessar Send a private message to Elessar May 17 2013, 6:52pm
    It's all about the pipe weed wildespace Send a private message to wildespace Jun 5 2013, 2:49pm
    Scouring Dirhaval Send a private message to Dirhaval Jun 9 2013, 8:59pm

 
 
 

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