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Those wild people

MaeBeth
Bree


May 8 2013, 5:40pm

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Don't know what else to call them. Those demented-looking guys riding the oliphants...I don't remember where they hail from or why they're involved. I don't really have the books, (not on me anyway) & I was just wondering about them. In RoTK we see them nearly squish a few of our heros (Eomer, Eoywen, Merry etc) But for the life of me I can't remember what the *brahaha* they're doing there in the first place!Unimpressed

For you & I, there's a new land (Angels that fly)
Sanctuary, my sanctuary yeah
Where fears & lies melt away (Musical tide)
What's left of me, what's left of me now


Angharad73
Rohan


May 8 2013, 6:44pm

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...those people riding/controlling the Mumakil are Haradrim - people from Harad, also called Southrons (so I guess that Harad is somewhere south...). They were loyal to Sauron, basically, like the Easterlings. At least that's what my brain has dredged up from somewhere deep down.


CuriousG
Valinor


May 8 2013, 7:01pm

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Your brain dredged quite accurately. :) // [In reply to] Can't Post

 


Brethil
Half-elven


May 8 2013, 7:06pm

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Hi MaeBeth! Yes, as Angharad says they are Haradrim [In reply to] Can't Post

They started out a friendly, but had s Second- Age conflict with Numenor as the might of that race grew to domination. In the Third Age they fall under the influence of Mordor and thus worked with Sauron in the South. After Elessar begins his reign peace is again made with them. (The oliphaunts live in the southern jungles, BTW, implying a biome different enough to be like another hemisphere.)

Manwe, when asked a simple "Yes" or "No" question, contemplated, and responded "the middle one."


Otaku-sempai
Half-elven


May 8 2013, 10:25pm

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Arda and the lands of Harad [In reply to] Can't Post


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...those people riding/controlling the Mumakil are Haradrim - people from Harad, also called Southrons (so I guess that Harad is somewhere south...). They were loyal to Sauron, basically, like the Easterlings. At least that's what my brain has dredged up from somewhere deep down.



Here follows a comparative illustration by the late Karen Wynn Fonstad (based on a drawing by Tolkien) that shows Arda before and after the Change of the World:

Click for image.

Harad forms a second continent, still connected to Northern Middle-earth in the Third Age. Note a strong resemblance to modern Africa. The Haradrim seem to be intended to be the ancestors of modern Arabian peoples. It is easy to imagine other Southrons who are darker-skinned Men of Far Harad.

'There are older and fouler things than Orcs in the deep places of the world.' - Gandalf the Grey, The Fellowship of the Ring


MaeBeth
Bree


May 9 2013, 5:50pm

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O ok [In reply to] Can't Post

I think I remember something about them being mentioned in RoTK...
Does anyone else wonder about how their culture was? They seem a little wilder than most other peoples...yet it's kinda fasinatingShocked

For you & I, there's a new land (Angels that fly)
Sanctuary, my sanctuary yeah
Where fears & lies melt away (Musical tide)
What's left of me, what's left of me now


Felagund
Lorien


May 12 2013, 12:03pm

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the Southron banner? [In reply to] Can't Post

A movie-specific question: can anyone remember if Jackson used the "black serpent on scarlet" banner when depicting the Haradrim army?

Tolkien writes about it in the RotK, "Battle of the Pelennor Fields":

Then he [the Haradrim 'chieftain] was filled with a red wrath and shouted aloud, and displaying his standard, black serpent upon scarlet, he came against the white horse and the green with great press of men; and the drawing of the scimitars of the Southrons was like a glitter of stars

The reference to scimitars hints at the 'ancestors of the Arabs' motif too.

Welcome to the Mordorfone network, where we put the 'hai' back into Uruk

 
 

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