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More evidence of Azog/Necromancer connection?

Lio
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May 7 2013, 1:46am


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So, by now it's common knowledge that Azog's son Bolg is hanging out in Dol Guldur for some reason. (We'll probably have to wait until DoS to find out why. Tongue)

While going through the recently released AUJ Chronicles: Creatures & Characters, a few comments caught my eye which seem to further suggest a connection between Azog and the Necromancer.

From "Concering Orcs" (page 180): "The thought of revenge upon Thorin and the final destruction of the line of the Longbeards gnawed at Azog, but he bided his time until late in the Third Age, when the emergence of the Necromancer and commencement of Thorin's Quest to retake Erebor saw him lead a troop of hunters in a chase across Middle-earth in pursuit of the Dwarven company."

The above may suggest that the Necromancer has something to do with Azog pursuing Thorin, but it could just as well be placing Azog's hunt in the context of other events that are occurring at the time. However there is another line that seems to be hinting at something more.

From "Orc Language and Speech" (page 193): "Azog, being a rare, intelligent Orc, uses both the Black Speech and Orcish depending on who he is addressing. His hunters speak Orcish."

Okay, now this is interesting! There is a distinction between Orkish and Black speech and the Orcs use the former when speaking to each other. As far as I can tell Black Speech isn't used in AUJ, so if Azog does speak it it must be in the upcoming movies. But to whom would he speak in Black Speech rather than Orkish? I can't imagine it being anyone but Sauron or maybe the Ringwraiths. What does everyone think?

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Subject User Time
More evidence of Azog/Necromancer connection? Lio Send a private message to Lio May 7 2013, 1:46am
    Interesting The Mitch King Send a private message to The Mitch King May 7 2013, 4:05am
        Azog and company entering Mirkwood to follow the dwarves.. MouthofSauron Send a private message to MouthofSauron May 7 2013, 5:26am
            Well no... The Mitch King Send a private message to The Mitch King May 7 2013, 5:57pm
                that would be anti-climatic IF.... MouthofSauron Send a private message to MouthofSauron May 8 2013, 1:45am
                    Anti-Climatic? Bah. He is already dead really. Can't see him dealt with fas enough, I say. AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin May 9 2013, 8:02am
                        Dont agree Yngwulff Send a private message to Yngwulff May 12 2013, 6:00am
    I still hope... Arannir Send a private message to Arannir May 7 2013, 6:54am
        what do the orcs speek then in the film? boldog Send a private message to boldog May 7 2013, 10:46am
            David Salo Arannir Send a private message to Arannir May 7 2013, 11:03am
        This is a possibility. The Mitch King Send a private message to The Mitch King May 7 2013, 5:59pm
    On the AUJ DVD, with the English t_bomb Send a private message to t_bomb May 12 2013, 12:35pm

 
 
 

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