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With Dain Ironfoot's defining moment "STOLEN" from him in An Unexpected Journey

Sinister71
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May 5 2013, 11:43pm


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How are Peter Jackson and company going to make the audience feel for or be enthusiastic about Dain and his arrival since he already told Thorin he would not help?

I know its been sort of discussed before but since people rarely read (or at least post) past page one.

Personally I think Jackson has made a mistake by stealing Dain's key moment. The death of Azog at the battle of Azanulbizar. I have always thought of that as his defining moment. First upon killing Azog avenging not only his father but Thror as well and secondly for dissuading Thrain from entering Moria because he had seen Durin's Bane (the Balrog).

This is amazing dialogue from Tolkien and it is sad that the chance to hear these words on film is dead.

Dain Ironfoot: "We will not enter Khazad-dum. You will not enter Khazad-dum!"
"Only I have looked through the shadow of the gate."
" Beyond the shadow it waits for you still, Durins Bane."
"The world must change and some other power than ours must come before Durin’s folk walk again in Moria."

Without the character arc Tolkien wrote and the corner Jackson has painted Dain into. What can they do to make the audience feel for Dain and care that he becomes King under the Mountian?


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With Dain Ironfoot's defining moment "STOLEN" from him in An Unexpected Journey Sinister71 Send a private message to Sinister71 May 5 2013, 11:43pm
    Well, Azog's not dead yet! Aragalen the Green Send a private message to Aragalen the Green May 5 2013, 11:55pm
        Hoping so Sinister71 Send a private message to Sinister71 May 6 2013, 12:09am
            Yep, agree with this Salmacis81 Send a private message to Salmacis81 May 6 2013, 1:56pm
                I certainly wouldn't like Thorin to be shown as completely unsympathetic Glorfindela Send a private message to Glorfindela May 6 2013, 3:03pm
                    But near the end Sinister71 Send a private message to Sinister71 May 6 2013, 4:29pm
                        I can't say I ever hated Thorin after reading the book. Glorfindela Send a private message to Glorfindela May 6 2013, 4:59pm
                            Bilbo did what needed to be done Sinister71 Send a private message to Sinister71 May 6 2013, 6:41pm
                            Hating Thorin Salmacis81 Send a private message to Salmacis81 May 6 2013, 9:03pm
                                Sure they have – and it's something I don't mind Glorfindela Send a private message to Glorfindela May 6 2013, 10:13pm
                                    You have a good point there. Aragalen the Green Send a private message to Aragalen the Green May 7 2013, 12:33am
                                    The sketchy dwarves Salmacis81 Send a private message to Salmacis81 May 7 2013, 2:41am
                I don't think Dain really cares he was robbed totoro Send a private message to totoro May 7 2013, 7:32am
                    Yes, that's what I feel. Glorfindela Send a private message to Glorfindela May 7 2013, 10:33am
                        Wow... Arannir Send a private message to Arannir May 7 2013, 11:18am
                        I could probably separate the two if they were calling the film something other than the Hobbit Sinister71 Send a private message to Sinister71 May 7 2013, 12:45pm
                    I'm sure Dain does not feel robbed... Salmacis81 Send a private message to Salmacis81 May 7 2013, 1:29pm
                        Completely Agree // Sinister71 Send a private message to Sinister71 May 7 2013, 1:38pm
                            As one headline put it... Salmacis81 Send a private message to Salmacis81 May 7 2013, 1:51pm
                                yeah its just too bad Sinister71 Send a private message to Sinister71 May 7 2013, 2:00pm
            Completely Agree malickfan Send a private message to malickfan May 7 2013, 4:12pm
        Thorin's revenge Salmacis81 Send a private message to Salmacis81 May 6 2013, 1:51pm
    There is still time....? Aranaes Send a private message to Aranaes May 6 2013, 8:46am
    Dain maybe killed Azog DuBekar Send a private message to DuBekar May 6 2013, 8:46am
        Nice Job! IdrilofGondolin Send a private message to IdrilofGondolin May 6 2013, 1:38pm
        i have had the exact same idea! flameofudun Send a private message to flameofudun May 7 2013, 1:59am
    What I would love as a salvage, Balrog et al, would be if Dain and Thorin were shown to have entered Moria, AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin May 7 2013, 1:46am

 
 
 

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