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Dori is the strongest...

jimmyfenn
Rohan


May 4 2013, 10:44am

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after a bit of reading the other night , in the book it clearly says Dori is the strongest dwarf in the company...is there any reference to this in the film?


on a flight back home i was watching thehobbit, i noticed it starts with a close up of the mgm lions eye...finishes with a dragons... pretty cool

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Mr. Arkenstone (isaac)
Grey Havens


May 4 2013, 10:56am

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I read somewhere in a related movie book that at least filmmakers consider it [In reply to] Can't Post

But I have no seen any sight of this in the movie except perhaps the moment when he is grabbed to Gandalf´s with Ori hanging of his feet. Ori must be a heavy burden heheh specially since he shows that little belly in bag enda LOL

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Bombadil
Half-elven


May 4 2013, 1:47pm

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That was an amazing way to keep Gandalf... [In reply to] Can't Post

From Using his Staff..
against the Orcs/Wargs...

he had 2 Dwarves hanging on
for dear Life?


Otaku-sempai
Half-elven


May 4 2013, 2:48pm

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Tolkien also wrote that Fili is the youngest and has the best sight [In reply to] Can't Post

And we all know that Jackson has his own views about that. I don't think that the subject comes up until the company reaches the enchanted stream in Mirkwood.

'There are older and fouler things than Orcs in the deep places of the world.' - Gandalf the Grey, The Fellowship of the Ring


DanielLB
Immortal


May 4 2013, 3:08pm

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No specific reference in that actual film. [In reply to] Can't Post

But in the Annual/Almanac it does say that Dori is the strongest of the Company, which stays true to the book.

I think Dwalin just "appears" to be stronger and fiercer. We haven't really seen Dori fight, and how does one measure "strength"?


Macfeast
Rohan


May 4 2013, 3:38pm

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Yeah, Dwalin wears his "badass strength" openly on his sleeves, for all to see... [In reply to] Can't Post

...so I think it's natural to think of him as the strongest. Even if Dori is physically stronger, how would we tell?

Ok, I now have an addition to my wish-list for the coming two films; An arm-wrestling contest between the two (in what context? I have no idea), with Dori emerging the victorious Laugh


(This post was edited by Macfeast on May 4 2013, 3:42pm)


Angharad73
Rohan


May 4 2013, 5:55pm

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Also, being physically strong... [In reply to] Can't Post

...doesn't necessarily mean that one is a great fighter. Maybe Dori is stronger than Dwalin, as in he can lift/carry more, but Dwalin is still the better, more experienced and hardened fighter...

Regarding Dori, one thing I have noticed in the movie, is that after the escape from the Goblin caves, when Gandalf and the Dwarves think Bilbo is gone, one of the other Dwarves says 'I thought he was with Dori'. I always thought that that was a reference to the book, where Dori is the one who was supposed to carry Bilbo on his back but dropped him. In the movie, though, there is no mention of anyone carrying Bilbo at all.


Marionette
Rohan


May 4 2013, 9:13pm

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Indeed [In reply to] Can't Post

He is, and Fili has the best sigh

By the way Am I correct?: Kili is actually older than Fili in the book. right?


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Marionette
Rohan


May 4 2013, 9:15pm

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Oh Thanks [In reply to] Can't Post

I was asking that, didn´t see you post

For certain they are. I wonder why Fili isn´t the youngest in the film. Why to do such pointless changes?

I always wondered that about movie adaptations


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Angharad73
Rohan


May 4 2013, 9:50pm

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If I remember correctly [In reply to] Can't Post

... the birth order of Fili and Kili was switched around at some point. Kili started out as the older brother, but according to Appendix A, Kili is now the younger of the two.

Or am I mixing something up?


TheSexyBeard
Lorien


May 4 2013, 10:51pm

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Think your right [In reply to] Can't Post


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... the birth order of Fili and Kili was switched around at some point. Kili started out as the older brother, but according to Appendix A, Kili is now the younger of the two.

Or am I mixing something up?

I'm sure Tolkien swapped their birthdates around in the appendices of The Return of the King and the filmmakers took that into account.

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DisDwarfWoman
Rivendell

May 5 2013, 12:53am

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I think it says... [In reply to] Can't Post

in the appendices that Fili is 82 and Kili 77 at the time of the hobbit (based on the years they were born). It is odd that they say in the Hobbit that Fili is youngest, maybe Thorin was just getting them/their ages mixed up (like any uncle might confuse their nephews). He certainly gets them mixed up in the movie.


Marionette
Rohan


May 5 2013, 4:15am

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Well, Tolkien changed his mind many times [In reply to] Can't Post

That's why we find some incoherent information in different writings.

I guess Kili and Fili's age is part of this.

I can imagine he changed his mind about The Hobbit after writing LOTR and the rest of the Silmarillion. I can understand that,, it's natural for us writers to edit, change, improve our works with the time and growing of the world we are creating..

I have heard he actually wanted to re-write The Hobbit


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DanielLB
Immortal


May 5 2013, 8:46am

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More than "wanted to re-write The Hobbit" [In reply to] Can't Post

In 1960 he did begin a re-write of The Hobbit, to match the tone and geography of The Lord of the Rings. However, this was never published in the revised editions of the book (in the third edition of 1966, Tolkien had only made minor changes), and Tolkien abandoned the re-write.

You can read it, though, in Volume II of John Rateliff’s "The History of the Hobbit".

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Marionette
Rohan


May 5 2013, 3:02pm

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Thanks [In reply to] Can't Post

Read something about this but never had a clear information.


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