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Thorin's facial scars at the end of AUJ...a DOS continuity problem?

MouthofSauron
Tol Eressea


Apr 29 2013, 3:02am

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Thorin's facial scars at the end of AUJ...a DOS continuity problem? Can't Post

I know PJ added the confrontation sequence between Oakenshield and Azog at the end of AUJ, but all of his scenes in DOS had already been shot so...will this be a problem for DOS?


take me down to the woodland realm where the trees are green and the elf women are pretty....Oh will you please take me home!!


Elizabeth
Valinor


Apr 29 2013, 4:01am

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Isn't that what pickups are for? [In reply to] Can't Post

Among other things, of course.

But, then, Thorin's recuperative powers are awesome. There he was practically dead, and after a short eagle flight he's up, walking around, hugging Bilbo, and showing only fairly minor facial marks. They'll probably heal in no time.








Defiant
Bree

Apr 29 2013, 4:16am

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... because Gandalf [In reply to] Can't Post

 :) The Wizard laid hands on him. That can explain away any continuity or recuperative conundrums.


AinurOlorin
Half-elven


Apr 29 2013, 3:07pm

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Indeed. The Laying of Hands by a Wizard is a POWERFUL thing. [In reply to] Can't Post

Too bad it can only be used once per trilogy, or Thorin might have survived Erebor. Unsure Actually, I liked the scene. That part of it anyway. Shows a diversity of Gandalf's powers and usefullness to the company. Also hearkens to his healing of Pippin's mind.

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:) The Wizard laid hands on him. That can explain away any continuity or recuperative conundrums.


"Hear me, hounds of Sauron, Gandalf is here! Fly if you value your foul skins, I will shrivel you from tail to snout if you step within this circle!"

"Do not be to eager to deal out death in judgement. Even the very wise cannot see all ends."


Brethil
Half-elven


Apr 29 2013, 3:45pm

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Indeed, Gandalf as Nienna's emissary [In reply to] Can't Post


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Too bad it can only be used once per trilogy, or Thorin might have survived Erebor. Unsure Actually, I liked the scene. That part of it anyway. Shows a diversity of Gandalf's powers and usefullness to the company. Also hearkens to his healing of Pippin's mind.

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:) The Wizard laid hands on him. That can explain away any continuity or recuperative conundrums.





...can be a powerful force of healing and compassion. **I LOVE when it is highlighted!!!!!!!!!!** HeartAngelic (Have noted only recently as well his deep sympathy for the plight of the Dwarves while listening to Thorin in the old farmer's house. Such a perfect characterization of his heart.)

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Radagast-Aiwendil
Gondor


Apr 29 2013, 4:41pm

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I don't think for a minute that he actually *healed* Thorin or brought him back from the brink of death [In reply to] Can't Post

Obviously Thorin was wounded but probably not anywhere near fatally. My interpretation was that Gandalf's spell simply allowed Thorin to regain consciousness. Gandalf wanted to use it to see if Thorin was still alive or not. I like the reference to RotK scene you mention though.

Of course, that's only my perspective on what happened.

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Ataahua
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Apr 29 2013, 7:10pm

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Mine too. / [In reply to] Can't Post

 

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AinurOlorin
Half-elven


Apr 29 2013, 10:11pm

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Agreed. [In reply to] Can't Post


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Too bad it can only be used once per trilogy, or Thorin might have survived Erebor. Unsure Actually, I liked the scene. That part of it anyway. Shows a diversity of Gandalf's powers and usefullness to the company. Also hearkens to his healing of Pippin's mind.

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:) The Wizard laid hands on him. That can explain away any continuity or recuperative conundrums.





...can be a powerful force of healing and compassion. **I LOVE when it is highlighted!!!!!!!!!!** HeartAngelic (Have noted only recently as well his deep sympathy for the plight of the Dwarves while listening to Thorin in the old farmer's house. Such a perfect characterization of his heart.)


"Hear me, hounds of Sauron, Gandalf is here! Fly if you value your foul skins, I will shrivel you from tail to snout if you step within this circle!"

"Do not be to eager to deal out death in judgement. Even the very wise cannot see all ends."


AinurOlorin
Half-elven


Apr 29 2013, 10:15pm

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Yet that IS a form of powerful healing. Thorin's unconciousness was not like Pippin's or [In reply to] Can't Post

Aragorn's after contact with the Palantir (i.e. primarily a psycological, spiritual and magical matter). He had suffered severe head and likely cerebral trauma and a concussion. The healing would have probably had to address that.

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Obviously Thorin was wounded but probably not anywhere near fatally. My interpretation was that Gandalf's spell simply allowed Thorin to regain consciousness. Gandalf wanted to use it to see if Thorin was still alive or not. I like the reference to RotK scene you mention though.

Of course, that's only my perspective on what happened.


"Hear me, hounds of Sauron, Gandalf is here! Fly if you value your foul skins, I will shrivel you from tail to snout if you step within this circle!"

"Do not be to eager to deal out death in judgement. Even the very wise cannot see all ends."


sauget.diblosio
Tol Eressea


Apr 29 2013, 10:48pm

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Yeah, that blow looked close to lethal to me. [In reply to] Can't Post


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Aragorn's after contact with the Palantir (i.e. primarily a psycological, spiritual and magical matter). He had suffered severe head and likely cerebral trauma and a concussion. The healing would have probably had to address that.

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Obviously Thorin was wounded but probably not anywhere near fatally. My interpretation was that Gandalf's spell simply allowed Thorin to regain consciousness. Gandalf wanted to use it to see if Thorin was still alive or not. I like the reference to RotK scene you mention though.

Of course, that's only my perspective on what happened.


Whenever i see that scene, i wonder how anyone could survive such a direct blow from that huge, 4-bladed mace. But then i remember the stone giants scene, and the two huge falls in Goblin Town, and i realize that dwarves are indestructible ha ha.

AUJ did well with Gandalf's powers i thought, even if it went a little overboard with his melee combat. In Goblin Town he almost reached Yoda levels of cgi swordfighting.


Maciliel
Tol Eressea


Apr 30 2013, 1:22am

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many thanks, brethil [In reply to] Can't Post


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Too bad it can only be used once per trilogy, or Thorin might have survived Erebor. Unsure Actually, I liked the scene. That part of it anyway. Shows a diversity of Gandalf's powers and usefullness to the company. Also hearkens to his healing of Pippin's mind.

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:) The Wizard laid hands on him. That can explain away any continuity or recuperative conundrums.



...can be a powerful force of healing and compassion. **I LOVE when it is highlighted!!!!!!!!!!** HeartAngelic (Have noted only recently as well his deep sympathy for the plight of the Dwarves while listening to Thorin in the old farmer's house. Such a perfect characterization of his heart.)




.... for reminding us in a very lovely written way of gandalf's link to valinor, and his beginnings, and what tolkien chooses to emphasize regarding power.

saruman had greater skill, but the power of the gift of compassion and healing and hope is something that gandalf displays again and again, to the benefit of middle earth.

nicely written, nicely done. : )


cheers --


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aka. fili orc-enshield
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the scene, as i understand it, is exceptionally well-written. fili (in sort of a callback to the scene with the eagles), calls out "thorRIIIIIIN!!!" just as he sees the pale orc veer in for the kill. he picks up the severed arm of an orc which is lying on the ground, swings it up in desperation, effectively blocking the pale orc's blow. and thus, forever after, fili is known as "fili orc-enshield."

this earns him deep respect from his hard-to-please uncle. as well as a hug. kili wipes his boots on the pale orc's glory box. -- maciliel


sycorax82
Rohan

Apr 30 2013, 7:35pm

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How do we know he wasn't originally going to be injured? [In reply to] Can't Post

Just because they added the confrontation with Azog doesn't mean Thorin wasn't gonna get hurt in some way, resulting in facial cuts etc. I doubt Peter would be as stupid as not to realise he was creating a massive continuity error for DoS!


MouthofSauron
Tol Eressea


May 1 2013, 4:33am

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u do realize... [In reply to] Can't Post

PJ added that confrontation between Thorin and Azog after they shot the original two part film? My point is not calling PJ stupid. My point is that PJ shot the scene because there wash't a big enough climax at the end of the original cut when TH was a two part film. However, all the scenes after with Thorin were shot pre-Azog/Thorin confrontation therefore how will they explain the wounds Thorin had on his face at the end of AUJ?


take me down to the woodland realm where the trees are green and the elf women are pretty....Oh will you please take me home!!


painjoiker
Grey Havens


May 1 2013, 12:13pm

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Thorin does have facial wounds at Beorn's [In reply to] Can't Post

We see in one of the vlogs when the company is at Beorn's house that Thorin has facial wounds, so Thorin was going to be wounded somehow in the original two-part Hobbit films :)

You see it in this picture: http://images6.fanpop.com/image/photos/33300000/Beorn-s-house-thorin-oakenshield-33335313-1280-720.jpg

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(This post was edited by painjoiker on May 1 2013, 12:16pm)


MouthofSauron
Tol Eressea


May 1 2013, 4:19pm

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he does have facial wounds [In reply to] Can't Post

but i noticed that he doesn't have the forehead wound that he had at the end of AUJ.


take me down to the woodland realm where the trees are green and the elf women are pretty....Oh will you please take me home!!

 
 

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