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Of Elves and Vulcans

Lammen Gorthaur
The Shire

Apr 27 2013, 11:28pm

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Of Elves and Vulcans Can't Post

I recently 'acquired' the first season of Star Trek-Enterprise on bluray. I hadn't seen this series in some 10 years and while watching the episodes I was suddenly struck by the similarities between Elves and Vulcans, and i mean more than the ears. Especially the 22nd century Vulcans in 'Enterprise' are a lot like the Elves. They look down on Humans, live longer than them, etc. Has anybody else wondered about this?


Apr 27 2013, 11:39pm

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Oh, Darkstone will be all over this thread. [In reply to] Can't Post

I myself have never seen Star Trek, so I couldn't make a fair comparison.

"...not till now have I understood the tale of your people and their fall. As wicked fools I scorned them, but I pity them at last. For if this is indeed, as the Eldar say, the gift of the One to Men, it is bitter to receive." -Arwen


Apr 29 2013, 2:51am

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Elves would scoff, though, at the Vulcans rejection of emotions. // [In reply to] Can't Post


'There are older and fouler things than Orcs in the deep places of the world.' - Gandalf the Grey, The Fellowship of the Ring


Apr 29 2013, 3:02pm

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Of Swans and Raptors [In reply to] Can't Post

Before the introduction of Surak's rationalistic philosophy paranoia and homicidal rage were common on Vulcan. Those tendencies more closely match those of the dark-oath spouting kinslaying Elves of the Sil than those of the emotion purged Vulcans of TOS. So a more apt comparison would be with "those who march beneath the Raptor's wings", those Vulcans who rejected Surak's teachings and became the passionate and cunning Romulans. A much better fit I think.

I can see why Jackson made the Elves Vulcan-like, to make them more remote, mysterious, and dignified, but I'd prefer Tolkien's original murderous dancing suicidal tra-la-lally manic-depressives.

The audacious proposal stirred his heart. And the stirring became a song, and it mingled with the songs of Gil-galad and Celebrian, and with those of Feanor and Fingon. The song-weaving created a larger song, and then another, until suddenly it was as if a long forgotten memory woke and for one breathtaking moment the Music of the Ainur revealed itself in all glory. He opened his lips to sing and share this song. Then he realized that the others would not understand. Not even Mithrandir given his current state of mind. So he smiled and simply said "A diversion.”


Apr 29 2013, 3:32pm

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Haha... [In reply to] Can't Post

... reminds me of the movie magazine I recently read. They had a small picture of Spock wearing some kind of helmet (??) while standing in front of a fiery background, looking rather agitated. I couldn't help but imagine him shout "Isilduuur!"Tongue

However, I have nothing else to contribute as I've never seen a single Star Trek episode or movie.

Tol Eressea

Apr 30 2013, 4:59pm

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damn - [In reply to] Can't Post

- we don't have a 'like' button on this forum, do we? Laugh


Apr 30 2013, 10:15pm

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Gene Roddenbery is said to have loosly based Vulcans on Tolkien.. [In reply to] Can't Post

which are Books he read in the 1950's...

Wiki that?


May 3 2013, 7:52pm

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hehe [In reply to] Can't Post

Actually yes I have.Laugh
Do you suppose Spock & McCoy's relationship is similar to Legolas & Gimli's?

MaeBeth Blush


May 3 2013, 8:44pm

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pfffffffftttttttt!!!!!!!! [In reply to] Can't Post

lol! : )

cheers --


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Actually yes I have.Laugh
Do you suppose Spock & McCoy's relationship is similar to Legolas & Gimli's?

aka. fili orc-enshield
the scene, as i understand it, is exceptionally well-written. fili (in sort of a callback to the scene with the eagles), calls out "thorRIIIIIIN!!!" just as he sees the pale orc veer in for the kill. he picks up the severed arm of an orc which is lying on the ground, swings it up in desperation, effectively blocking the pale orc's blow. and thus, forever after, fili is known as "fili orc-enshield."

this earns him deep respect from his hard-to-please uncle. as well as a hug. kili wipes his boots on the pale orc's glory box. -- maciliel


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