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creative types and how they use their gifts

Maciliel
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Apr 26 2013, 1:15pm


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mae govannen --

i've been musing in real time and in tolkien time about creative types (of which i am one), and how they chose to 1) use their gifts; and 2) conduct themselves around others, including others with talents.

creativity, artistry, talents, have been a major theme in our discussions of the silmarilion. so many characters with creative gifts: feanor, miriel, nerdanel, melkor, the noldor, aule, mahtan, yavanna, maeglin, eol, the dwarves, etc.

some creative types are overflowing with so many blessings of talent. like melkor. but melkor, despite given many talents of magnificent scale, and endless days in which to explore them, does not say, "thanks, eru!" and scamper along with his landscape paintbrushes and mountain modeling clay. right from the beginning, he is spilling oceans that ulmo has collected, razing mountains that others had raised.

it is not enough for melkor to do his thing. he seems to want to deny the value of the creative output of others, going far enough to want to destroy it, even if he winds up spending more time destroying others efforts instead of creating his own. which is +astounding+, considering how many talents he has, how special they are, and the vast canvas he's given to explore and celebrate.

other creative types, like aule, yavanna, just seem to like to do good work. if someone has another idea, they're often inspired to collaborate (think yavanna and manwe, and the origins of the ents and the eagles).

some creative types are truly in love with what they do. praise is great, but it's not the goal.

but for others, even to hear the work of others praised rankles. i can't imagine melkor feeling gladness in his heart when others heap compliments on yavanna for the kelvar and olvar.

i definitely see that in real life as well. which is odd, because so many around them may not have those gifts ("i could never do that! how wonderful!"), so they are often singled out as being special or gifted. but apparently for many, that is either not enough or -- interestingly -- it's not the critical asset (either the +perception+ of being unique is, or being the only one praised is... rather than creation itself being its own reward).

i also want to look at creativity beyond the traditional arts. traditionally we recognize painting, writing, etc., as being creative (i do those as well). but i see creativity in many guises. cooking, finances, gardening, etc.

so, considering all the ways that beings are creative, why isn't enough for some creative types to just create? why does it cause pain to them to hear other's praised for their work?

there are scads of creative types in tolkien's work, but he grants more word count to the troublemakers, rather than those that go about their project peaceably.

is tolkien saying something about creative types? or he just happens to talk about the troublemakers because a lot of epic history gets triggered by their actions?


cheers ---

.


aka. fili orc-enshield
+++++++++++++++++++
the scene, as i understand it, is exceptionally well-written. fili (in sort of a callback to the scene with the eagles), calls out "thorRIIIIIIN!!!" just as he sees the pale orc veer in for the kill. he picks up the severed arm of an orc which is lying on the ground, swings it up in desperation, effectively blocking the pale orc's blow. and thus, forever after, fili is known as "fili orc-enshield."

this earns him deep respect from his hard-to-please uncle. as well as a hug. kili wipes his boots on the pale orc's glory box. -- maciliel

(This post was edited by Maciliel on Apr 26 2013, 1:18pm)

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creative types and how they use their gifts Maciliel Send a private message to Maciliel Apr 26 2013, 1:15pm
    There is great diversity in creative types and how they react to things. Escapist Send a private message to Escapist Apr 26 2013, 1:31pm
        +great+ post, escapist Maciliel Send a private message to Maciliel Apr 26 2013, 1:48pm
            You talk about a variety of different things as if they were the same thing. Escapist Send a private message to Escapist Apr 26 2013, 2:01pm
                no, not speaking about them as if they are the same... Maciliel Send a private message to Maciliel Apr 26 2013, 2:23pm
                    Mostly, I can't because of the last reason given above. Escapist Send a private message to Escapist Apr 26 2013, 2:40pm
                        ah, no worries : )n Maciliel Send a private message to Maciliel Apr 26 2013, 3:20pm
                            I think you essentially found a land mine Escapist Send a private message to Escapist Apr 26 2013, 4:23pm
                            Fanfic arithmancer Send a private message to arithmancer Apr 26 2013, 7:31pm
                                re fanfic Maciliel Send a private message to Maciliel Apr 26 2013, 7:45pm
                                RE: fanfic worries Escapist Send a private message to Escapist Apr 26 2013, 8:49pm
                                    A new thread, touching on Tolkiens attitude to fanfic might be of interest noWizardme Send a private message to noWizardme May 4 2013, 8:05am
                        Your discussion from the beginning . . . Beren0nehanded Send a private message to Beren0nehanded May 24 2013, 12:08pm
    Great post! Thank you. Ethel Duath Send a private message to Ethel Duath Apr 26 2013, 3:58pm
        Besides Melkor Escapist Send a private message to Escapist Apr 26 2013, 5:23pm
            Did you mean if Ethel Duath Send a private message to Ethel Duath Apr 27 2013, 4:39pm
        Character vs gifts arithmancer Send a private message to arithmancer Apr 26 2013, 7:43pm
            Yes, Ethel Duath Send a private message to Ethel Duath Apr 27 2013, 4:47pm
        talent vs. character Maciliel Send a private message to Maciliel Apr 27 2013, 9:23pm
            Recognising and accepting the limitations of one's creativity elaen32 Send a private message to elaen32 Apr 27 2013, 10:39pm
                I agree completely, I see more internalizing with Aule Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Apr 27 2013, 10:50pm
                    If the Music of the Ainur were a performance by a garage band... noWizardme Send a private message to noWizardme Apr 28 2013, 9:37am
                        I agree NoWiz! Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Apr 28 2013, 2:18pm
                            Of Goth Bands and Garages CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Apr 28 2013, 10:00pm
                                Well Yoko has that effect on people... Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Apr 28 2013, 10:12pm
                                    Impatience and superstars CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Apr 28 2013, 10:42pm
                                        Wow CG - GREAT idea to discuss! Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Apr 29 2013, 12:24am
    Letter 131... noWizardme Send a private message to noWizardme Apr 26 2013, 5:26pm
        thanks, nowimė : ) Maciliel Send a private message to Maciliel Apr 27 2013, 9:27pm
    Perhaps it is what is driving the artist? Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Apr 26 2013, 5:40pm
        Possessiveness too! noWizardme Send a private message to noWizardme Apr 27 2013, 6:20pm
        Good insight! Escapist Send a private message to Escapist Apr 27 2013, 8:10pm
            Clearly the best kind Escapist... Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Apr 27 2013, 8:57pm
        i'm in general agreement Maciliel Send a private message to Maciliel Apr 27 2013, 9:41pm
            Nice point about 'displaying!' Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Apr 27 2013, 9:49pm
    Jealous from insecurity? CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Apr 26 2013, 5:53pm
        great, insightful post, curiousg Maciliel Send a private message to Maciliel Apr 27 2013, 9:57pm

 
 
 

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