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Ainu Laire
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Dec 19 2007, 3:32am

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We all knows that PJ and co expanded a little bit on Eowyn, a bit more on Galadriel, and quite a bit on Arwen in The Lord of the Rings. The Hobbit, however, seems to be lacking the fairer sex.

So do you think that...

A. The "Hobbit" film will add in a love interest (most likely to Bard)
B. The "Hobbit" film will add a family member (most likely to Thranduil's family; I'm thinking wife or daughter)
C. The "Hobbit" film will remember the fine people who created Master and Commander and will acknowledge that you don't actually need a female to make a good film.
D. A combination of A and B.

C would be ideal for me. B I would not mind too much; I could see the Queen of Mirkwood helping the dwarves escape for some unknown reason. 'A' would make me moan and groan. D would make me throw popcorn at the screen and demand a refund.

The worst case scenario I personally see is giving Thranduil a daughter, and mimicing LOTR with her love for Bard. Yuck.

So, what do you think is going to happen with The Female Factor in the first Hobbit film?

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Arwen's daughter
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Dec 19 2007, 3:37am

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I figure an Arwen cameo in both movies and either an Eowyn cameo, or either Denethor or Theoden's wife included in the second. I'd rather not see any female characters included just for the sake of having a woman, but it will depend a lot on the director and writer.

That's one of the sad things about the Hobbit. Far less chance for us girls to make pretty costumes for the line parties. *sigh*



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N.E. Brigand
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Dec 19 2007, 3:37am

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"Lawrence of Arabia" is another successful example of your third option. // [In reply to] Can't Post

 

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Dec 19 2007, 3:37am

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E. Three of the Dwarves will actually be females. [In reply to] Can't Post

Ori, Dori, and Nori. But no one will know it - it's the beards, y'know! Wink

Actually, I'm in favor of an appearance in Rivendell by Arwen.


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Patty
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Dec 19 2007, 3:38am

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Female extra elves in Rivendell, and... [In reply to] Can't Post

expand a role for Lobelia.

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N.E. Brigand
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Dec 19 2007, 3:40am

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Can't have Arwen in the first movie. [In reply to] Can't Post

At least, if that one is faithful to the book, then Arwen is away in Lórien, because Aragorn, who's all of ten, won't meet her for another ten years.

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Nimloth2
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Dec 19 2007, 3:46am

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B [In reply to] Can't Post

I'm thinking B might be the option they go for, purely because it seems movie makers think there needs to be at least one fairly prominent female part ot attract female movie goers - Master and Commander not included Wink

For Frodo.


Arwen's daughter
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Dec 19 2007, 3:48am

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At least, if that one is faithful to the book, then Arwen is away in Lórien, because Aragorn, who's all of ten, won't meet her for another ten years.



Who said the director would be faithful to the book? Wink If they insist on including a woman in The Hobbit, I think that's the first thing they will look at. I'll probably scream (quietly if I'm in the theater) when they do, but who says the filmmakers will check the timeline as carefully as we do?



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Ainu Laire
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Dec 19 2007, 3:51am

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But certainly a valuable thing to know :D

(I'll get to watching those old movies one of these days.)

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Ainu Laire
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Dec 19 2007, 3:53am

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They'll have to make Aragorn 10 years older, then [In reply to] Can't Post

Which is something that didn't occur to me earlier, but now seems quite plausible. 10 years, who cares, right? Angelic

Wow. Imagined butcherings aside, I'm ridiculously excited.

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N.E. Brigand
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Dec 19 2007, 3:53am

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Lawrence is one of those films that particularly demands to be seen in a theater, or at least on the biggest TV you can manage. It's a much stronger film than Master and Commander, in my opinion.

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N.E. Brigand
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Dec 19 2007, 3:59am

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Aunt Dora, I'd guess. Wink

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Dec 19 2007, 4:08am

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I saw LoA on a panoramic screen [In reply to] Can't Post

during the early 80's sometime. I would say I loved that movie but that denotes to much of a fanish reaction. I was deeply moved and impacted by that film. To an extent that puts it in the top few films of all I've seen.



Smeagirl/Girllum
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Dec 19 2007, 4:14am

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I hope whatever they do, they don't change the story too much. The lack of female characters didn't bother me when I first read the book, and maybe it bothers me a bit now, but not enough that I would want the script writer to start creating new characters out of whole cloth.

There are a lot of elves who aren't really clearly defined, so I'm thinking some of those could be female.

Also, toward the end of the second movie, I'd really like to see something about Frodo's childhood and how he goes to live with Bilbo, so maybe we could meet some of Frodo's female relatives. There is potential for some very touching scenes here.

Adding anything else would seem out of place, I think.


Curious
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Dec 19 2007, 4:22am

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How about fully-grown Arwen playing with 9-year-old Aragorn? [In reply to] Can't Post

Or some bearded female dwarves? Or some drunk elven maidens? And don't forget the spiders! Smile


N.E. Brigand
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Dec 19 2007, 4:25am

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Kinda spoils his later "Tinúviel!" moment, no? // [In reply to] Can't Post

 

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Dec 19 2007, 4:25am

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Smeagirl/Girllum
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Dec 19 2007, 4:40am

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I'm certainly not suggesting anything graphic [In reply to] Can't Post

because then I couldn't watch it myself! But maybe we'd see a scene of Frodo with his parents (just seeing Primula smile tenderly at a very young Frodo would probably make me cry), and then later maybe we'd hear another character saying that he's been orphaned, and we'd see him with the Brandybucks or some other relatives, and then see Bilbo offering to take him in.

Or come to think of it, they could use that scene from the beginning of FOTR where Sam is chatting with the other hobbits and some of them are saying mean things about the Bucklanders and Bagginses, and talking about how Frodo's parents drownded, and while they're talking we could see the scenes in flashbacks.

That's how I picture it in my head, anyway. I just think it would be a nice transition to the LOTR films. Somewhere out there, there's an adorable little boy with Elijah-blue eyes, whose parents want him to be an actor . . .


Smeagirl/Girllum
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Dec 19 2007, 4:42am

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LOL! I think you should start working on that script. [In reply to] Can't Post

It sounds like a great comedy. I'd go see it. :-)


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Dec 19 2007, 5:34am

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I would hope for C. [In reply to] Can't Post

Because I don't want the story messed with too much. Trying to shoehorn women in where there isn't a reason to would just emphasize their general absence, I think. I don't hate movies without women, but I do hate movies with useless women!

Besides, I have yet to hear any women complaining about the men of LOTR. Of course, in this case, most of the "men" will be dwarves and Gandalf, and that's a lot of facial hair. But we'll have bard, and Elves, and Bard, and Beorn. And Bard. WinkAngelic

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Dec 19 2007, 6:01am

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Tol Eressea


Dec 19 2007, 6:09am

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Kidding! (about the dwarves) (although that's not a bad idea, really).

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GaladrielTX
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Dec 19 2007, 1:50pm

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I'll hope for C. [In reply to] Can't Post

I could imagine having Galadriel in a White Council scene. If they go any further with it, though, the obviousness of trying to include women would jar me out of the film.

It's the same kind of thing I'd feel if they made a point of including cameos with Legolas, Gimli, Aragorn, etc. I would be thinking sarcastically, "Gee, don't they think they're clever?"

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RosieLass
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Dec 19 2007, 3:21pm

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I quite agree. [In reply to] Can't Post

I'm already nervous about them trying to cram too much non-Hobbit stuff from LOTR into the story.

I really don't want to see any non-Hobbit stuff-from-nowhere-in-any-of-the-books.

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Elven
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Dec 19 2007, 3:29pm

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Girls in the film? [In reply to] Can't Post

The first option has me gagging ... please no romantic love interest for the Hobbit ... ! There plenty of room in the 'other' film for beautiful entanglements Wink

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