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Best design for Smaug...ever...

GiantMushroomBear
Bree

Apr 6 2013, 9:35pm

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Best design for Smaug...ever... Can't Post

I hope the film version will be something along the lines of this masterpiece.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/...side+information.jpg


(This post was edited by Ataahua on Apr 6 2013, 9:54pm)


Glorfindela
Valinor


Apr 6 2013, 9:54pm

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I really wouldn't say that's a masterpiece [In reply to] Can't Post

 


Erally
Bree

Apr 6 2013, 10:01pm

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It's a good design but [In reply to] Can't Post

I think they would not put the two big horns in. Apart from that it looks cool


sharpened_graphite
Rivendell

Apr 6 2013, 10:07pm

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Errr... No. Don't agree. [In reply to] Can't Post

It's a lovely Dragon drawing but it's much too bulky and D&D in style.

Smaug is a Wyrm and comes from the Old European tradition, his looks should reflect that.

This guy, while imposing looks far too much like a T-Rex with Horns and far too bestial, no devious intelligence in his eye.


Lio
Lorien


Apr 6 2013, 10:08pm

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Nice piece [In reply to] Can't Post

I like the glow coming from Smaug's mouth and nostrils, like a furnace, and the gold and jewels embedded in his belly. (Is it just me or does a lot of Smaug art omit that last bit?) I think his body should be longer though. Smaug is a worm of length! Wink

Also, love the way Bilbo is drawn and his facial expression!

Orcs are mammals!

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ghost_matt
Rivendell

Apr 6 2013, 11:34pm

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It's "ok" [In reply to] Can't Post

Kinda looks like Gorgo with wings to me. Way too bulky and the neck isn't long enough for a dragon.


Marionette
Rohan


Apr 7 2013, 12:50am

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Not bad but... [In reply to] Can't Post

The dragon looks like other dragons I have seen on films... I don't know... I saw a better fanart, I liked that very much, it's scarier.


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AinurOlorin
Half-elven


Apr 7 2013, 1:53am

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I have been worried, from small shots scene and a bit of potential concept art that Smaug might not have a [In reply to] Can't Post

properly long neck at all. I hope I am wrong. I will post on it at some point, I believe.

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Oin's parasite
Rivendell


Apr 7 2013, 1:57am

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THIS is the perfect Smaug in my eyes! [In reply to] Can't Post

http://this-world-is.boldlygoingnowhere.org/andinet/wordpress/wp-content/gallery/smaug/smaug-3.jpg

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droidsocket
Rivendell

Apr 7 2013, 2:04am

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I second that! [In reply to] Can't Post

This artist have many great pieces. And agree that is a pretty perfect Smaug!


GiantMushroomBear
Bree

Apr 7 2013, 2:28am

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The consensus appears to be... [In reply to] Can't Post

That his neck is too short...To be honest, I never like the portrayal of dragons as basically just giant worms. It reduces the menace, and looks...weird.


SirDennisC
Half-elven


Apr 7 2013, 2:56am

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The thing is [In reply to] Can't Post

Tolkien envisioned Smaug as snake-like more-so than stocky. Something that is easy to miss about snakes is they are quite muscular and agile.

We had a nice discussion about Smaug back in June 2012 (see Sinister's thread); it contained many links to all manner of dragon images... for instance here is one Sinister shared that's of the variety you favour.

Now about the image you linked to, I like that he has a jewel encrusted underbelly. And the shape of his head seems about right (perhaps with a longer neck). But I think he should have five claws on each foot. In China five claws symbolize the Emperor (depictions representing anything or anyone else have four or less claws). But because it is Smaug, five claws seems appropriate somehow (though I think Tolkien's own drawings only show four).


(This post was edited by SirDennisC on Apr 7 2013, 2:59am)


CathrineB
Rohan


Apr 7 2013, 7:39am

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Fully agree on that! [In reply to] Can't Post

That Smaug looks terrific!

The OP dragon is too bulky.


Hamfast of Gamwich
Rivendell


Apr 7 2013, 9:08am

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Is anything going to get more backlash on the boards than Smaug? [In reply to] Can't Post

Everyone has such a clear idea of him in their minds, he's inevitably going to disappoint people.


Skaan
Lorien


Apr 7 2013, 11:13am

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gif from Smaug's neck [In reply to] Can't Post

http://img268.imageshack.us/img268/9926/uza0.gif

In this gif, you can see Smaug burrying himself into the gold with his neck/head. I don't know if this is long enough for you, but the length of his neck seems pretty good to me.


AinurOlorin
Half-elven


Apr 7 2013, 5:35pm

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I THINK I agree, if that is his neck moving forward in the dive. It [In reply to] Can't Post

is hard to tell between the size of the and the speed of movement. If it could be paused it would be easier to ascertain.

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http://img268.imageshack.us/img268/9926/uza0.gif

In this gif, you can see Smaug burrying himself into the gold with his neck/head. I don't know if this is long enough for you, but the length of his neck seems pretty good to me.


"Hear me, hounds of Sauron, Gandalf is here! Fly if you value your foul skins, I will shrivel you from tail to snout if you step within this circle!"

"Do not be to eager to deal out death in judgement. Even the very wise cannot see all ends."


Nightwing
Bree

Apr 7 2013, 6:15pm

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I don't really care for it [In reply to] Can't Post

It's kinda dull.

Philippa Boyens and Fran Walsh can't write, and Galadriel is not the most powerful being in all of Middle-earth. She is inferior to Sauron, Saruman, and Gandalf.


jimmyfenn
Rohan


Apr 7 2013, 7:32pm

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already know [In reply to] Can't Post

tolkien has already himself designed smaugs physiology, and alan lee and john howe will refine that with there own added panache like they have already done, i dont see why smaug will be such a surprise!

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SirDennisC
Half-elven


Apr 7 2013, 7:43pm

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Aye [In reply to] Can't Post

What is key, as you imply, is how fiercely we hold our own views of Smaug... for the most part it seems people have been able to roll with hawt dwarves, added characters, altered scenes and plot lines. Smaug will be magnificent, or he will be the end of our fandom.

The stakes aren't too high or anything Laugh


(This post was edited by SirDennisC on Apr 7 2013, 7:44pm)


Ziggy Stardust
Gondor


Apr 8 2013, 12:29am

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Yeah [In reply to] Can't Post

I think so too. Smaug is a dragon, a Wyrm, not a dino with wings. He is much too intelligent, sardonic and brilliant to look like a bestial T-Rex.


AinurOlorin
Half-elven


Apr 8 2013, 3:41am

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Well . . . The Balrog is a demon from before the shaping of the world, who took part in the creation of [In reply to] Can't Post

the physical universe, and of the history of the world. One of the first of the fallen, and a sorcerer of great power, able to vie with one of the Great Wizards of Middle Earth for control of a spell sealed door. . . yet he was shown to roar and occassionally make apish movements. So. . . be prepared to be lenient. lol

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I think so too. Smaug is a dragon, a Wyrm, not a dino with wings. He is much too intelligent, sardonic and brilliant to look like a bestial T-Rex.


"Hear me, hounds of Sauron, Gandalf is here! Fly if you value your foul skins, I will shrivel you from tail to snout if you step within this circle!"

"Do not be to eager to deal out death in judgement. Even the very wise cannot see all ends."


BoromirOfWinterfell
Rohan


Apr 8 2013, 11:14am

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It's beautiful, but I have a more lithe dragon in mind for the movie. [In reply to] Can't Post

I also like the way Bilbo was drawn. Smile

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Ziggy Stardust
Gondor


Apr 8 2013, 7:18pm

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You got a point there [In reply to] Can't Post

The Balrog is a demon, but he roared and made apish movements, which is totally un-demonlike. I found him quite frightening in the novel with the way he was described. There was so much potential there, why didn't they go for it! Laugh

 
 

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