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the big mistake

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Apr 6 2013, 8:31am


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i really tried hard to love the Hobbit but in the end i failed,or the film failed me...
and after watching the Fellowship EE yesterday i see which problem the Hobbit has and which big mistake PJ made.
The Felloship is a movie that really takes its time in exploring the world, characters, themes and setting the stage. it does a brilliant job in introducing the story and letting the characters create the mood and atmosphere through their interaction. there are a lot of character moments and in the EE there are even more (gimli talking to legolas about Galadriel's hair for example). the Fellowship only had two major action sequences i'd say: Moria and the ambush of the Uruk-Hai. The big battles and action scenes are yet to come in the second and third movie.

Now what is fatal for the Hobbit to me is that PJ pretty much does the exact opposite. Apart from the first 45 minutes, which are fantastic (in general: those moments where he trusts his characters/their actors are brilliant: Riddles, Bilbos' speech outside Goblintown, Bofur and Bilbo etc.) pretty much of the rest is taken up by action: The attack on the trolls (transformed into an action scene by PJ), the warg chase (completely made up by PJ), stone Giants(enhanced by PJ), Goblin town (hugely enhanced by PJ) ...
But not only is there far too much action, the action is in large parts a) very cartoonish ( dwarves in Goblin town, what the heck happened to the realistic combat of the Trilogy PJ?) and b) diminished by some bad snot-and-fart humour. The trolls for example left me completely cold as a threat because they were made so incredibly dumb and because the dwarves could simply attack THREE of them and could only be stopped cause they caught poor bilbo. Really, what kind of joke is that, remeber what huge Problems they had in Moria with only one Troll? I already mentioned Goblin town and GG's last words...
And i couldn't even care if the guys were in danger cause we barely got to know them and their group's dynamic, hadn't i read the book i would be asking myself who these dudes really were after AUJ, they seemed like a bunch of dudes who get thrown into one action scene after the other and that's it.
So, as i see it PJ tried to achieve the more child-friendly tone of the book by including a lot of snot-and-fart humour and by making all the action very much indangerous for the characters.
And i find this sooo wrong, because i don't think that is the right way to have a lighter tone in story and still have it be a believable story with believable characters. Again a lighter tone shouldn't be achieved by making the enemies ridiculous and less threatening, but by creating humourours and funny/light-hearted character interaction and there was clearly not enough time for this in AUJ.

It would have been far better if the Trolls were more threatening and serious. (though i think the dwarves attacking them is a better solution. But they should be captured very easily instead of giving a circus-stunt-fight. Only Thorin should be left and give them a hard time, and leave some of the snot out >:( ). The warg chase, if at all, should be only hinted at, like they maybe kill that one warg and then flee through field and forest to rivendell, with the orcs only taking on their tracks, but not really letting an open confrontation happen. So as these two things would have been shortened Rivendell should have been expanded on a lot more. This was a rather long stop in the Fellowship that had some good character elements, and that was completely missing in AUJ. Staying in Rivendell for longer would let us spend more time with the dwarves and Bilbo and let them have a light-hearted stop after being in a SERIOUS threat by trolls and almost being caught by wargs. Then they should have made Goblin-town a lot less stunt-intensive and more realistic, so as the threat would be more real and serious but not so bloated ( this could also go along a different design for goblin town, with more claustrophobic orc-tunnels and less swinging bridges)

Following this, i hope the EE of AUJ holds a lot more character development. And i hope DOS get a lot more character Development as well as better and more realistic action.

Subject User Time
the big mistake triptrap Send a private message to triptrap Apr 6 2013, 8:31am
    I think the big mistake... Eleniel Send a private message to Eleniel Apr 6 2013, 8:50am
        Absolutely agree. Joe20 Send a private message to Joe20 Apr 6 2013, 8:57am
            absolutely triptrap Send a private message to triptrap Apr 6 2013, 8:59am
    BOFA has to be violent. Thorins_apprentice Send a private message to Thorins_apprentice Apr 6 2013, 8:59am
    If There and Back again isn't M. Thorins_apprentice Send a private message to Thorins_apprentice Apr 6 2013, 9:09am
        Graphic violence is not what makes a movie mature. Indeed, it is often a sign of immaturity AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Apr 6 2013, 4:27pm
            Well,I'm a dumb, immature guy. Thorins_apprentice Send a private message to Thorins_apprentice Apr 6 2013, 4:56pm
                Between Smaug and BO5A, Hanzkaz Apr 6 2013, 5:37pm
                "Jesus wept". . . lol And so did Manwe. . . AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Apr 6 2013, 6:52pm
                    Yes, and so it begins....... Thorins_apprentice Send a private message to Thorins_apprentice Apr 6 2013, 7:05pm
            Then Brain Dead Lusitano Send a private message to Lusitano Apr 6 2013, 6:09pm
            I'm not asking for an r rated movie. Thorins_apprentice Send a private message to Thorins_apprentice Apr 6 2013, 6:25pm
    Totally agree triptrap tolktolk Send a private message to tolktolk Apr 6 2013, 9:27am
        yes I agree Rivendell was dreary too, Elenorflower Send a private message to Elenorflower Apr 6 2013, 1:06pm
            concerning elves triptrap Send a private message to triptrap Apr 6 2013, 1:13pm
                apart from figwit Elenorflower Send a private message to Elenorflower Apr 6 2013, 1:24pm
        For some reason I highly doubt it Sinister71 Send a private message to Sinister71 Apr 7 2013, 2:36am
            Because they can't just have an hour of him revealing everything? Carne Send a private message to Carne Apr 7 2013, 3:13am
                My point was Sinister71 Send a private message to Sinister71 Apr 7 2013, 4:26am
                It doesn't. Elessar Send a private message to Elessar Apr 7 2013, 3:20pm
            Ha! Lusitano Send a private message to Lusitano Apr 7 2013, 1:00pm
    Erase "The Lord of the Rings" films from your memory for 5 minutes DanielLB Send a private message to DanielLB Apr 6 2013, 9:36am
        we've got the problem right there... triptrap Send a private message to triptrap Apr 6 2013, 10:07am
            Then I can't help you ;-) DanielLB Send a private message to DanielLB Apr 6 2013, 10:35am
                I'm with you there Glorfindela Send a private message to Glorfindela Apr 6 2013, 11:05am
            yes Elenorflower Send a private message to Elenorflower Apr 6 2013, 1:17pm
                I think we've seen different films Glorfindela Send a private message to Glorfindela Apr 6 2013, 1:33pm
                    I partly agree. AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Apr 6 2013, 6:40pm
        Thank you tarasaurus Send a private message to tarasaurus Apr 6 2013, 1:42pm
            Yes, I agree Glorfindela Send a private message to Glorfindela Apr 6 2013, 2:19pm
                i think you are jumping to a bit too many conclusions there glorfindela triptrap Send a private message to triptrap Apr 6 2013, 2:29pm
                    Er, no, I was not referring to you, triptrap Glorfindela Send a private message to Glorfindela Apr 6 2013, 3:32pm
            Don't get me wrong, comparing AUJ to the LOTR trilogy is fine. DanielLB Send a private message to DanielLB Apr 6 2013, 4:52pm
    This is definetly the problem jtarkey Send a private message to jtarkey Apr 6 2013, 9:37am
        its funny isnt it, but I have the same reaction, Elenorflower Send a private message to Elenorflower Apr 6 2013, 1:12pm
            While those are my Lusitano Send a private message to Lusitano Apr 6 2013, 4:01pm
                I have to wait until May to see Season 3 of GOT on Sky Italia Elenorflower Send a private message to Elenorflower Apr 6 2013, 4:54pm
                    Ah sorry Lusitano Send a private message to Lusitano Apr 6 2013, 6:02pm
                    Well . .. . even Smaug the magnificent might have trouble competing with Daenerys AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Apr 6 2013, 6:51pm
                        I myself am partial to Cersei Lannister... Salmacis81 Send a private message to Salmacis81 Apr 6 2013, 9:33pm
    Action scenes in FOTR and AUJ Hamfast of Gamwich Send a private message to Hamfast of Gamwich Apr 6 2013, 10:01am
    No no no no no Neimod Send a private message to Neimod Apr 6 2013, 10:23am
        you are right in some cases triptrap Send a private message to triptrap Apr 6 2013, 10:45am
        I agree with Neimod Noria Send a private message to Noria Apr 6 2013, 11:49am
            Exactly This. Minus the MAJOR historical rewrites regarding things like Azog and Angmar, AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Apr 6 2013, 6:01pm
        Thanks for this Neimod IdrilofGondolin Send a private message to IdrilofGondolin Apr 6 2013, 3:37pm
        I'm going to agree here on the character development Salmacis81 Send a private message to Salmacis81 Apr 6 2013, 8:49pm
    Defending AUJ and hope for a much lengthier Extended Edition Mrredbirdy Send a private message to Mrredbirdy Apr 6 2013, 12:16pm
    Drinks are on me! Roheryn Send a private message to Roheryn Apr 6 2013, 12:23pm
    Agree 100% Elenorflower Send a private message to Elenorflower Apr 6 2013, 1:01pm
        Not enough time ... Escapist Send a private message to Escapist Apr 6 2013, 1:10pm
            I would happily cut all the bunny sled stuff Elenorflower Send a private message to Elenorflower Apr 6 2013, 1:28pm
    Perhaps I'm just being optimistic. But I have a strong feeling the EE will correct this mistake QuackingTroll Send a private message to QuackingTroll Apr 6 2013, 1:20pm
        Let's hope so triptrap Send a private message to triptrap Apr 6 2013, 1:25pm
    Realistic combat? LordotRings93 Send a private message to LordotRings93 Apr 6 2013, 2:24pm
        Realistic Combat! triptrap Send a private message to triptrap Apr 6 2013, 2:35pm
            Some of this has to do with Escapist Send a private message to Escapist Apr 6 2013, 2:50pm
                i had some initial problems with legolas' action scenes Maciliel Send a private message to Maciliel Apr 6 2013, 3:11pm
                    Actually, in martial arts, it is said that one seldom needs to fight as if taking on more than AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Apr 6 2013, 6:46pm
                        that is interesting Maciliel Send a private message to Maciliel Apr 6 2013, 6:51pm
                At least with Legolas it was only one Elf doing impossible stunts... Eleniel Send a private message to Eleniel Apr 6 2013, 3:27pm
                    I have to say Glorfindela Send a private message to Glorfindela Apr 6 2013, 3:48pm
            My problem with the troll scene... QuackingTroll Send a private message to QuackingTroll Apr 6 2013, 4:16pm
    The overall tone of the LOTR was just simply much darker. Misty Mountain Hop Send a private message to Misty Mountain Hop Apr 6 2013, 3:27pm
        Yes I agree and to add: glor Send a private message to glor Apr 6 2013, 8:30pm
            Changes Salmacis81 Send a private message to Salmacis81 Apr 6 2013, 9:19pm
                Keep Preaching. I am in this choir. AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Apr 6 2013, 10:08pm
            For me... cats16 Send a private message to cats16 Apr 6 2013, 9:39pm
            I don't TOUCH Extended ROTK. There is too much blasphemous filth in it. However, I love AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Apr 6 2013, 10:04pm
    The non-canon change and added stuff are rather predictable Chubb-Baggins Send a private message to Chubb-Baggins Apr 6 2013, 6:00pm
        interesting point Dwarvenfury Send a private message to Dwarvenfury Apr 6 2013, 7:11pm
        Canon Salmacis81 Send a private message to Salmacis81 Apr 6 2013, 8:59pm
            Amen all over! AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Apr 6 2013, 10:05pm
        Excellent Observation IdrilofGondolin Send a private message to IdrilofGondolin Apr 6 2013, 9:08pm
    I disagree... adnan Send a private message to adnan Apr 8 2013, 7:43pm

 
 
 

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