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Although, I am not sure how much was known of the Ring in Gondor

elaen32
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Apr 3 2013, 8:53pm


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in the Third Age. In the book, when Faramir has his dream which prompts Boromir to go to Rivendell, they are puzzling over the meaning of "Isildur's Bane". Although they seem to be aware of the Ring as a part of ancient history, they don't seem to be aware of it in connection with Isildur. At the Council of Elrond, after hearing the story of how the Ring survived, Boromir says something along the lines of "If any such tale ever came to the South of this, it has passed out of memory" (sorry, haven't got book to hand) to which Aragorn replies something along the lines that it has always been known in the North because Valandil became King after the Gladden Fields massacre, from which only one person escaped with the news of what had happened. So I am not sure how much Denethor et al would have considered the Ring in, to them, the present day. They would have known of it from history lessons etc, but how much more they knew is unclear

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Tolkien's universe as solid and consistent/inconsistent, and his writing process noWizardme Send a private message to noWizardme Mar 31 2013, 11:04am
    Themes and devices squire Send a private message to squire Mar 31 2013, 3:00pm
        That's a masterly reply noWizardme Send a private message to noWizardme Mar 31 2013, 3:37pm
            ignoring the issue and emphasizing other angles - a strength sometimes! noWizardme Send a private message to noWizardme Mar 31 2013, 4:24pm
            Ah, you scored a bulls-eye CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Apr 1 2013, 12:51pm
        interesting response elostirion74 Send a private message to elostirion74 Apr 2 2013, 4:39pm
            Some inconsistencies Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Apr 2 2013, 5:57pm
                hmm elostirion74 Send a private message to elostirion74 Apr 2 2013, 9:22pm
                    The decisions of Faramir, Elrond and Cirdan. Choices or devices... Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Apr 2 2013, 11:22pm
                        Cirdan or Elrond taking the ring by force ElendilTheShort Send a private message to ElendilTheShort Apr 3 2013, 12:07am
                            True, if we interpret it as the moral choice vs device Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Apr 3 2013, 12:16am
                                I was really only commenting that Elrond and Cirdan are of such good character that they would not murder an ally, that was my principle point. ElendilTheShort Send a private message to ElendilTheShort Apr 3 2013, 7:44am
                                    Elrond or Cirdan's choices Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Apr 3 2013, 3:45pm
                            But that was not the question. sador Send a private message to sador Apr 3 2013, 6:23am
                                Pushing Isildur into the fire ElendilTheShort Send a private message to ElendilTheShort Apr 3 2013, 7:31am
                        Faramir was not affected by the Ring... Elizabeth Send a private message to Elizabeth Apr 3 2013, 8:33am
                            This is what they neglected in the movies ElendilTheShort Send a private message to ElendilTheShort Apr 3 2013, 11:14am
                                Back to devices and themes! (and a note about chucking Isildur in the lava) noWizardme Send a private message to noWizardme Apr 3 2013, 12:33pm
                                    Thematic rings CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Apr 3 2013, 1:20pm
                                    I think it is important to note that if we are talking about plot devices and themes ElendilTheShort Send a private message to ElendilTheShort Apr 3 2013, 7:29pm
                                        Very true... Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Apr 3 2013, 8:34pm
                                        A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little [hobbit] minds CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Apr 3 2013, 9:12pm
                                            Do you mean that some inconsistencies might be deliberate? noWizardme Send a private message to noWizardme Apr 4 2013, 9:03am
                                                Yes CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Apr 4 2013, 3:44pm
                                                    Does it depend where you've "shelved" Tolkien, mentally? noWizardme Send a private message to noWizardme Apr 4 2013, 5:09pm
                                                        Good observation CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Apr 4 2013, 5:40pm
                                                            I do not see thing temptation of the Ring as inconsistent at all, if that is what you are saying. ElendilTheShort Send a private message to ElendilTheShort Apr 4 2013, 7:28pm
                                                                Thoughts about Faramir FarFromHome Send a private message to FarFromHome Apr 5 2013, 1:01pm
                                                                    JRRT's enigmas may be devices, or they may point to something else Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Apr 5 2013, 4:26pm
                                                                        Well... CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Apr 5 2013, 4:42pm
                                                                            (*wink*) Excellent committee notes CG....! ;-) Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Apr 5 2013, 4:55pm
                                                                                Those safest with the Ring are those who know their limits noWizardme Send a private message to noWizardme Apr 7 2013, 3:08pm
                                                                                    The wimpy Black Riders noWizardme Send a private message to noWizardme Apr 7 2013, 4:52pm
                                                                                        Generally, I see the Weathertop episode as a flaw CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Apr 7 2013, 8:16pm
                                                                                            Yeah it does so stand up to scrutiny, Tolkien explains it in length. The following paraphrases as the books are not handy to my location, I will have to start taking them everywhere with me. ElendilTheShort Send a private message to ElendilTheShort Apr 8 2013, 12:00am
                                                                                                Aragorn's role at Weathertop is very interesting. noWizardme Send a private message to noWizardme Apr 8 2013, 9:45am
                                                                                                    And what makes absolutely no sense CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Apr 8 2013, 6:43pm
                                                                                    Reread my Faramir again... Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Apr 8 2013, 5:31pm
                            Very true.. elaen32 Send a private message to elaen32 Apr 3 2013, 1:32pm
                                I think the Ring plays on character's strengths as much as their flaws CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Apr 3 2013, 3:19pm
                                You are right - I remember the writers discussing Faramir Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Apr 3 2013, 4:54pm
                            I don't see it as an exposure issue for Faramir Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Apr 3 2013, 3:29pm
                                Although, I am not sure how much was known of the Ring in Gondor elaen32 Send a private message to elaen32 Apr 3 2013, 8:53pm
                                    You are correct Elaen Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Apr 3 2013, 9:22pm
                        internal coherence elostirion74 Send a private message to elostirion74 Apr 3 2013, 3:21pm
                            You make excellent points Elostirion Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Apr 3 2013, 4:32pm
                    The movies ElendilTheShort Send a private message to ElendilTheShort Apr 3 2013, 12:00am
    Great discussion idea! Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Mar 31 2013, 5:35pm
        Gnawing the ends of old plots noWizardme Send a private message to noWizardme Apr 1 2013, 11:11am
            Gnawing the ends of old jokes squire Send a private message to squire Apr 1 2013, 10:40pm
                Book 1 compared to movie ElendilTheShort Send a private message to ElendilTheShort Apr 1 2013, 11:45pm
                    Heroes' journey, with a detour noWizardme Send a private message to noWizardme Apr 2 2013, 8:02am
                        Well CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Apr 2 2013, 1:12pm
                I am so enjoying your posts Squire Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Apr 2 2013, 5:34pm
                Book I Ardamírë Send a private message to Ardamírë Apr 2 2013, 11:35pm
                stylistic variety elostirion74 Send a private message to elostirion74 Apr 3 2013, 9:16pm
            The DS as a plot device Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Apr 2 2013, 7:16pm

 
 
 

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