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One thing is certain

CuriousG
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Apr 1 2013, 9:35pm


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if we are to assume that the Wise at the Council of Elrond knew what they were talking about. They said that if Sauron conquered all else, even Bombadil would fall to him, "last as he was first," if I have the quote right. I don't see Iluvatar succumbing to Sauron by any measure, so I'd rule out Bombadil = Eru.

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Some confusing (to me) issues about the Power(s) of the Ring and Isildur Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Mar 22 2013, 9:59pm
    We know very little about how it works... Elizabeth Send a private message to Elizabeth Mar 23 2013, 1:16am
        No, I and wish we did know more Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Mar 23 2013, 2:18am
            I think invisibility is a relatively minor side-effect Elizabeth Send a private message to Elizabeth Mar 23 2013, 3:49am
                I like your take on the Ring leaving Isildur, Elizabeth Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Mar 23 2013, 2:31pm
                Invisibility and the Ruling Ring RustyF Send a private message to RustyF Mar 27 2013, 9:36pm
                    Indeed primarily it is Sauron who stays in the realm of the World Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Mar 27 2013, 9:49pm
                    To follow that idea along CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Mar 28 2013, 1:23am
                        I don't think he wore it enough imin Send a private message to imin Mar 28 2013, 1:28am
            An interesting question! arithmancer Send a private message to arithmancer Mar 23 2013, 1:40pm
                interesting -- i always interpreted that scene a different way Maciliel Send a private message to Maciliel Mar 23 2013, 2:01pm
                    Agree about Sam arithmancer Send a private message to arithmancer Mar 23 2013, 7:35pm
                        Yes, the effects are very interesting: Elizabeth Send a private message to Elizabeth Mar 23 2013, 11:25pm
                            I love the examples you list Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Mar 24 2013, 12:01am
                            Thanks! arithmancer Send a private message to arithmancer Mar 25 2013, 1:17am
                Power of the Ring, worn or not....neat! Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Mar 23 2013, 3:14pm
        This is the best Explanation of Bombadil and Why the Ring does affect him I have ever seen axewielder Send a private message to axewielder Mar 26 2013, 3:55pm
            Greetings, axewielder, and thanks, this is a great read Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Mar 26 2013, 9:17pm
                (Elizabeth, Maciliel, Arithmancer, Otaku-Sempai, Silverlode, Curious G, ElendiltheShort, sauget.diblosio, Axewielder; I have loved reading and processing all the viewpoints you present.) Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Mar 26 2013, 10:38pm
                    It's all in Letter 131 ElendilTheShort Send a private message to ElendilTheShort Mar 27 2013, 7:51am
                        if the ring enhances the bearer's natural powers Maciliel Send a private message to Maciliel Mar 27 2013, 11:27am
                            The power to ElendilTheShort Send a private message to ElendilTheShort Mar 27 2013, 11:40am
                                The info in Letter 131 Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Mar 27 2013, 12:26pm
                                    Reply, lol. imin Send a private message to imin Mar 27 2013, 3:12pm
                        Good post imin Send a private message to imin Mar 27 2013, 3:02pm
                            But was Sauron completely confident of the Ring's dominance? Otaku-sempai Send a private message to Otaku-sempai Mar 27 2013, 3:35pm
                                I don't think we will ever know one way or the other for sure imin Send a private message to imin Mar 27 2013, 3:44pm
                                    I think that Aragorn gave Sauron reason to worry... Otaku-sempai Send a private message to Otaku-sempai Mar 27 2013, 3:49pm
                                        Palantir imin Send a private message to imin Mar 27 2013, 4:01pm
                                            Sauron was beaten twice even when he had the Ring CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Mar 27 2013, 5:21pm
                                                True, i feel this is similar to what i was saying though, lol. imin Send a private message to imin Mar 27 2013, 5:58pm
                                                True, but even that sliver of a chance scared him Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Mar 27 2013, 6:37pm
                                                    Something i just wondered imin Send a private message to imin Mar 27 2013, 6:45pm
                                                        I vote for your option #2.// CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Mar 27 2013, 7:12pm
                                                        Sauron's ultimate end (?) and where does his fea go? Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Mar 27 2013, 8:21pm
                                                            I am not quite sure i understand imin Send a private message to imin Mar 27 2013, 8:34pm
                                                                Well there are a few hints, but... Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Mar 27 2013, 8:53pm
                                                                    Fair enough :) imin Send a private message to imin Mar 27 2013, 9:11pm
                                                                        Body or nobody CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Mar 27 2013, 9:26pm
                                                                            Well he did bear it to Numenor with no body... Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Mar 27 2013, 9:57pm
                                                                                Did he bear it with no body to Numenor? imin Send a private message to imin Mar 27 2013, 11:26pm
                                                                                    no longer take fair form Maciliel Send a private message to Maciliel Mar 27 2013, 11:35pm
                                                                                        Yeah exactly imin Send a private message to imin Mar 27 2013, 11:42pm
                                                                                        Yes, that's what I infer CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Mar 28 2013, 1:08am
                                                                                    Ha, you are right - I got my logic wrong - that was all backwards. Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Mar 27 2013, 11:55pm
                                                                                        Yummy tacos, lol imin Send a private message to imin Mar 28 2013, 12:15am
                                                                                            The 'disembodied' possession is another odd idea.... Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Mar 28 2013, 12:24am
                                                                                                Hope i am ok to do this! imin Send a private message to imin Mar 28 2013, 12:32am
                                                                                                    I should say so, this is wonderful - I like the references Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Mar 28 2013, 12:57am
                                                                                                        I wish Gollum told us the color of the other hand. I like knowing those kinds of details.// CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Mar 28 2013, 1:12am
                                                                                                            Me too! Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Mar 28 2013, 1:25am
                                                                                                        That was not written by me btw, lol imin Send a private message to imin Mar 28 2013, 1:20am
                                                                                                            I recall CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Mar 28 2013, 1:54am
                                                                                                                yeah that's what i mean imin Send a private message to imin Mar 28 2013, 2:05am
                                                                                                        References to the Eye imin Send a private message to imin Mar 28 2013, 2:11am
                                                                                                            The Eye then.... Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Mar 28 2013, 2:44am
                                                                                                                Yep :) imin Send a private message to imin Mar 28 2013, 2:47am
                                                                                            yes, this has always confused me Maciliel Send a private message to Maciliel Mar 28 2013, 12:33am
                                                                                                I don't think it's a stupid question but then i asked it as well, haha. imin Send a private message to imin Mar 28 2013, 12:42am
                                                                            My first answer was a bit off, CG Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Mar 28 2013, 12:17am
                                        Some worries Sauron had about Aragorn Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Mar 27 2013, 6:29pm
                                        Actually Sauron IS already rather unhoused... Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Mar 27 2013, 6:41pm
                            Thanks, and so nice to see you here! Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Mar 27 2013, 6:22pm
                                I agree with pretty much all this. imin Send a private message to imin Mar 27 2013, 6:59pm
                                I am really interested in doors lately telain Send a private message to telain Mar 28 2013, 3:59pm
                                    So nice to see you Telain! I see you have been busy...! Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Mar 28 2013, 4:29pm
                                    On Ents, Elves and Eriador Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Mar 29 2013, 3:07am
                                        excellent! telain Send a private message to telain Mar 30 2013, 2:02pm
                                            Great retrofitting! noWizardme Send a private message to noWizardme Mar 30 2013, 3:36pm
                                                Hello! I found a nice quote about that 'retrofit' idea N-W-M Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Mar 30 2013, 3:56pm
                                                    Great! noWizardme Send a private message to noWizardme Mar 30 2013, 4:14pm
                                                        I agree! Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Mar 30 2013, 4:23pm
                                                            "our affectionate scrutiny " CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Mar 30 2013, 6:27pm
                                                                Glad you do CG! Thanks! Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Mar 30 2013, 11:04pm
                                                                    Like to talk more about how Tolkien mainatined consistency? (link to a new thread) noWizardme Send a private message to noWizardme Mar 31 2013, 11:09am
                                                                        also see... noWizardme Send a private message to noWizardme Mar 31 2013, 3:42pm
                Hmmm....interesting axewielder Send a private message to axewielder Mar 28 2013, 8:37pm
                    About Tom, and the Ring on small folk Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Mar 29 2013, 2:56am
                        All rings excluding the Three ElendilTheShort Send a private message to ElendilTheShort Mar 29 2013, 4:10am
                            True- I did not include the other Rings in the assessment. Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Mar 29 2013, 4:37am
                                The disembodied Sauron taking the One Ring back to Middle Earth ElendilTheShort Send a private message to ElendilTheShort Mar 30 2013, 3:01am
                            Am chuckling a bit today over Letters Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Mar 29 2013, 2:57pm
                                i just had this image of sam neill Maciliel Send a private message to Maciliel Mar 30 2013, 3:19am
                                    Brian Blessed = Tom Bombadil ElendilTheShort Send a private message to ElendilTheShort Mar 30 2013, 3:52am
                                        And then there is Mr.Blessed's voice... Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Mar 30 2013, 3:40pm
                                    Sam Neill - sweet picture Maciliel! Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Mar 30 2013, 3:29pm
                                Tom as an enigma axewielder Send a private message to axewielder Apr 1 2013, 8:38pm
                                    One thing is certain CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Apr 1 2013, 9:35pm
                                        Agreed Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Apr 2 2013, 4:02pm
                                            good thoughts axewielder Send a private message to axewielder Apr 2 2013, 4:59pm
                                                Tom's sort of peace is perhaps not achievable by Men- but needs Men to exist Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Apr 2 2013, 7:01pm
                                                    Pacifism and nature CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Apr 2 2013, 9:06pm
                                                        All good points about Bombadil's motives, CG. Some questions back.... Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Apr 2 2013, 10:12pm
                                            I certainly agree with that CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Apr 3 2013, 1:59pm
                                                I think JRRT loved the simple life Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Apr 3 2013, 3:56pm
                                                    Yes, Voltaire's Candide CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Apr 3 2013, 6:04pm
    many mysteries surrounding the ring Maciliel Send a private message to Maciliel Mar 23 2013, 12:59pm
        Ring sensing intent. That's what I feel Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Mar 23 2013, 2:44pm
    I think that a strong-willed individual can 'turn off'' the Ring's invisibility Otaku-sempai Send a private message to Otaku-sempai Mar 23 2013, 8:11pm
        So invisibility is the realm in which the Ring has control.... Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Mar 23 2013, 10:02pm
        Do you know any example of this other than Bombadil? Elizabeth Send a private message to Elizabeth Mar 24 2013, 12:13am
            Welll, I didn't cite Bombadil as an example... Otaku-sempai Send a private message to Otaku-sempai Mar 24 2013, 12:34am
            Since no other being ever wore it... Silverlode Send a private message to Silverlode Mar 24 2013, 4:14am
                Galadriel would be "beautiful and terrible" Elizabeth Send a private message to Elizabeth Mar 24 2013, 4:34am
                    it's funny Maciliel Send a private message to Maciliel Mar 24 2013, 4:41am
                        Pretty girl with a ring CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Mar 24 2013, 5:50am
                        Nice point Maciliel! Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Mar 24 2013, 3:05pm
                        Galadriel arithmancer Send a private message to arithmancer Mar 25 2013, 1:02am
                            arithmancer, your comments reflect my own thoughts ElendilTheShort Send a private message to ElendilTheShort Mar 25 2013, 4:49am
                                Regarding beauty. sauget.diblosio Send a private message to sauget.diblosio Mar 26 2013, 3:28pm
                                    Glorfindel could be seen by Frodo as a figure bright and clear ElendilTheShort Send a private message to ElendilTheShort Mar 26 2013, 5:40pm
                re invisibility and dwarves Maciliel Send a private message to Maciliel Mar 24 2013, 4:37am
                Wouldn't Sauron want to be invisible? CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Mar 24 2013, 5:46am
                    Yes, reversing who dwells in Spirit Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Mar 24 2013, 3:40pm
                You sum up a lot of what has puzzled me Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Mar 24 2013, 3:20pm
    Invisibility has nothing to do with spiritual stature ElendilTheShort Send a private message to ElendilTheShort Mar 24 2013, 9:27am
        Part of my confusion was about the meaning of statue relating to invisibility Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Mar 24 2013, 3:45pm
            Please don't misunderstand my reply, Sauron was physically big and strong ElendilTheShort Send a private message to ElendilTheShort Mar 25 2013, 4:58am
                Well said ! Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Mar 25 2013, 2:28pm
    Just to go back to the issue of the power(s) of the ring imin Send a private message to imin Mar 28 2013, 2:57am
        i think one of the powers of the ring Maciliel Send a private message to Maciliel Mar 28 2013, 3:04am
            Haha imin Send a private message to imin Mar 28 2013, 3:06am
                she must be sauron Maciliel Send a private message to Maciliel Mar 28 2013, 3:08am
                    Well, do we cut off her finger, or rob her of power by duct-taping her mouth? // CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Mar 28 2013, 3:48am
                That's quite a pretty trinket Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Mar 28 2013, 3:39am
                    Haha the smiley face made me laugh! imin Send a private message to imin Mar 28 2013, 3:52am
        I'm starting to wonder if it's easier to ask what its powers were not :) CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Mar 28 2013, 3:38am
            I like your post CG Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Mar 28 2013, 3:49am
            Good post imin Send a private message to imin Mar 28 2013, 4:01am
            Powers of the Ring Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Mar 28 2013, 2:48pm

 
 
 

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