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so stoked for DOS!


Mar 26 2013, 2:59pm

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so stoked for DOS! Can't Post

i thoroughly enjoyed the preview, i am surprised people were expecting a full-on trailer, it was never advertised as such.

no, the majority of the 55 minutes spent watching Peter and Jed talk wasn't exactly riveting, but it was charming enough with quite a bit of wit and warmth to the proceedings, very smoothly pulled off considering it was a live event, and the interspersing of DOS nuggets throughout was just enough to keep my attention and feel like i was being rewarded for sitting through the whole thing.

i've already seen a lot of judgments on here about stuff that wasn't presented anywhere close to finished form. Tauriel's line, for instance. we're seeing it without music, without the final edit, with green screen in the back, without the context of the scene, we don't even know for sure we're seeing the take they are going to end up using! or if it will even end up in the theatrical cut, for that matter. i don't think the line in and of itself is that bad, there are numerous lines in LotR that would come off much cheesier than that if not for the way the finished presentation delivers them. this is part of the art of filmmaking, maximizing the impact of raw footage through all the little details that go into the finished product.

so, that said, i think the only thing we can come close to trying to judge is the High Fells scene, and even that will likely end up slightly different when the film actually comes out. but i was loving it. i still think there's a good chance that this might be part of the prologue to DOS and that will explain how it fits structurally, or it could be a flashback. these are common cinematic tools and i applaud PJ for embracing non-linear filmmaking as a way of strategically placing scenes within the greater framework. if it is meant to occur real-time, well, either ME geography changed or the film will have some 'splainin to do, but ultimately i am just glad this scene is gonna be in the theatrical cut, i was mesmerized by the shots we saw from it in the trailers and i'm not a huge EE person.

Radagast's appearance in the scene is a little weird and perhaps jarring, but ultimately i think PJ finds a way to turn the character's eccentricity into something that underlines the atmosphere he is going for. Radagast has clearly been portrayed as quite a "sensitive" character to his surroundings and environment--much moreso than he is to people--and here he is so fazed in the presence of such an evil place, it's like his brain can't even properly function. i also loved Gandalf's reaction of "Oh, you" and McKellen's performance is great besides, grim to the point of distraction, like he's seeing the Nine before his very eyes as he looks at their former resting place. as i felt with much of AUJ, the cinematography, editing, design, and FX work (which probably isn't even 100% done) is all masterful, artful stuff.

some of the more finished bits of the final teaser montage were also fantastic, i loved, loved, LOVED the Mirkwood and Woodland Elf Realm designs, Bard looks like a both fun and mysterious character, Stephen Fry is gonna kill it as the Master, the political intrigue of Laketown sounds like it will be thoroughly delved into (which will help give another layer of depth and "real-life" resonance to these movies), the tone and even just general aesthetic of the film seems like it will be a good bit darker than AUJ (if The Hobbit has the LotR trilogy color-theming then i'd say AUJ had a brazen dawny/dusky hue whereas DOS looks to be a dark grey), i think they showed production shots of Gandalf's encounter with Thrain (which really makes me wonder)...and the bit where they "reveal" Smaug's full design gave me a good chuckle.

i know some who were disappointed by AUJ will find no shortage of things to dislike here, but to those of us excited for the rest of the journey ahead, it looks like some of the question marks we had about how this filmic venture is going to progress in terms of tone and content have been given hints of answers that pique my appetite all the more for the next film. bring it on!

Tol Eressea

Mar 26 2013, 3:14pm

Post #2 of 12 (411 views)
Agreed!// [In reply to] Can't Post


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Tol Eressea

Mar 26 2013, 3:57pm

Post #3 of 12 (451 views)
While i was disappointed in certain aspects of AUJ, [In reply to] Can't Post

i did like it overall, and have grown to like it even more since i got the blu-ray, and am looking VERY forward to DoS. It has loads of new stuff to offer, i'll have had a whole year to get used to some of the more 'controversial' aspects of the firs film, and it will suffer a lot less from the 2 films to 3 transition, therefore not being quite so rushed (which led to the addition of my least favorite thing about AUJ-- Azog). I have every confidence that DoS is going to be great.

Tol Eressea

Mar 26 2013, 4:20pm

Post #4 of 12 (471 views)
i hate to burst your bubble [In reply to] Can't Post

there is no way Beorn is going to be a real bear, he will be CGI. (bear form Beorn)

take me down to the woodland realm where the trees are green and the elf women are pretty....Oh will you please take me home!!


Mar 26 2013, 4:29pm

Post #5 of 12 (361 views)
Wrong thread? ;-) / [In reply to] Can't Post



Mar 26 2013, 4:44pm

Post #6 of 12 (374 views)
Gandalf has Glamdring, so no flashback. (NT) [In reply to] Can't Post



Tol Eressea

Mar 26 2013, 6:36pm

Post #7 of 12 (340 views)
I'm with you [In reply to] Can't Post

Did AUJ have some issues? Sure. all films do for me. Did i absolutely love it? yes I did. I saw it 9 times in the cinema. I am completely looking forward to DoS and am head over heels waiting for it. I had no expectations at all of seeing anything "finished" in the preview and was delighted with what was there. The glass is 99.99999% full to me.

Thank you for your questions, now go sod off and do something useful - Martin Freeman Twitter chat 3/1/13


Mar 26 2013, 6:44pm

Post #8 of 12 (312 views)
It would be a flashback posterior of his finding of glamdring [In reply to] Can't Post

chronologically between the white council and his arrival at Goblin Town


Mar 26 2013, 11:43pm

Post #9 of 12 (213 views)
Same as you [In reply to] Can't Post

But I saw it about 15 times in the cinema. I just don't want to see too much before the film comes out. I want to be surprised, as I was when it came to AUJ (I went to see it with no expectations and was delighted with it).

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Did AUJ have some issues? Sure. all films do for me. Did i absolutely love it? yes I did. I saw it 9 times in the cinema. I am completely looking forward to DoS and am head over heels waiting for it. I had no expectations at all of seeing anything "finished" in the preview and was delighted with what was there. The glass is 99.99999% full to me.


Mar 27 2013, 12:20am

Post #10 of 12 (189 views)
Chronologically possible? Not sure at all. [In reply to] Can't Post

He left Rivendell after the dwarves, and he had time to cross the mountains, go to DolGuldur, inspect it, come back, almost climb the mountains again, and how did he know that the dwarves were exactly there, at Goblin Town?
I think Gandalf was merely just an hour behind the company...


Tol Eressea

Mar 27 2013, 4:38am

Post #11 of 12 (171 views)
what about Thrain??? [In reply to] Can't Post

Thrain is in the sequence, they mixed up the clips. Go back and watch it again, i've pointed out the differences on this forum too many times to do it again. Gandalf does not have Glamdring when he is fighting Thrain.

take me down to the woodland realm where the trees are green and the elf women are pretty....Oh will you please take me home!!


Mar 28 2013, 1:20am

Post #12 of 12 (109 views)
The preview... [In reply to] Can't Post

Got me SO excited to see Mirkwood! I didn't expect to see much given away and I'm glad, but I really do enjoy seeing concept art also. Mirkwood is gonna be BA!


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