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Anyone else think Thranduil sass will be one of the great things about DoS?
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marcuspaine
Bree

Mar 25 2013, 6:55pm

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Anyone else think Thranduil sass will be one of the great things about DoS? Can't Post

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dormouse
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Mar 25 2013, 6:56pm

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I don't know what sass means... [In reply to] Can't Post

... but I'm certanly looking forward to Thranduil and the Mirkwood elves


Spaldron
Rivendell


Mar 25 2013, 7:07pm

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I think that last one is a joke meme [In reply to] Can't Post

It means he has "sass". You know sassy like like everyone was in the 70's.


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ElendilTheShort
Gondor


Mar 25 2013, 7:08pm

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Yip, visually Thranduil is awesome, very Tolkien IMO, pagan looking, fey, tall and strong. [In reply to] Can't Post

They will show him dealing to some orcs I am sure.
His sword looks good too, hope they do a repro of that.


PattyJB
Rivendell


Mar 25 2013, 7:12pm

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And now we know why Legolas [In reply to] Can't Post

has such perfect posture! He seems to spend more than a little time "on the carpet" before his father/king, poor lad.Wink



FrodoEyes
Rivendell

Mar 25 2013, 7:15pm

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I thought... [In reply to] Can't Post

I thought he said Thranduil's ass Wink

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Maciliel
Tol Eressea


Mar 25 2013, 7:18pm

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would love to see [In reply to] Can't Post

 
would love to see thranduil give thorin a hard time about possessing orcrist.

that would be a nice contrast with how gracious elrond was.

cheers --



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aka. fili orc-enshield
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the scene, as i understand it, is exceptionally well-written. fili (in sort of a callback to the scene with the eagles), calls out "thorRIIIIIIN!!!" just as he sees the pale orc veer in for the kill. he picks up the severed arm of an orc which is lying on the ground, swings it up in desperation, effectively blocking the pale orc's blow. and thus, forever after, fili is known as "fili orc-enshield."

this earns him deep respect from his hard-to-please uncle. as well as a hug. kili wipes his boots on the pale orc's glory box. -- maciliel


axecrazy
Rivendell


Mar 25 2013, 7:28pm

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He will [In reply to] Can't Post

and in effect steal it from the confiscated Dwarf gear and give to Legolas after the Company escapes. Not so sure if I'm looking forward to this guy to be honest. All the indications are that I probably won't like him much. We'll see, I guess




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Maciliel
Tol Eressea


Mar 25 2013, 7:36pm

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i'm not sure how far [In reply to] Can't Post

i'm not sure how far they'll push the sympathy for thranduil, but they'll have to muddy the waters some, to methinks. the conflict will be more compelling if the dwarves don't have a monopoly on a just cause, and it will also give bilbo room to manuever. if bilbo us sympathetic to the elves during th:dos and th:bofa, he'll have to have good reason, otherwise viewers would just find his actions despicable.

much looking forward to it all.

cheers --

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aka. fili orc-enshield
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the scene, as i understand it, is exceptionally well-written. fili (in sort of a callback to the scene with the eagles), calls out "thorRIIIIIIN!!!" just as he sees the pale orc veer in for the kill. he picks up the severed arm of an orc which is lying on the ground, swings it up in desperation, effectively blocking the pale orc's blow. and thus, forever after, fili is known as "fili orc-enshield."

this earns him deep respect from his hard-to-please uncle. as well as a hug. kili wipes his boots on the pale orc's glory box. -- maciliel


SirDennisC
Half-elven


Mar 25 2013, 7:45pm

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Sass = cheek, back talk, lip, smack talk, chirp, [In reply to] Can't Post

In the context of the meme I guess it means 'tude or attitude.

Don't give me no sass = that's enough out of you = you shut your mouth when you're talking to me.

Crazy


SirDennisC
Half-elven


Mar 25 2013, 7:50pm

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and, how could I forget: "badassery" // [In reply to] Can't Post

 


marcuspaine
Bree

Mar 25 2013, 8:15pm

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Love how Thranduil just walks away from Legolas and starts swinging his sword, lol [In reply to] Can't Post

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Loresilme
Valinor


Mar 25 2013, 8:50pm

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Love this - totally owning the sass here [In reply to] Can't Post

Oh yeah Cool. Thanks for posting this one - I think this about says it all regarding Thranduil's character. It's going to be great. *but* I just hope he's not too hard on Legolas, hope they don't overdo it to the point where we end up with a bunch of "Legolas has daddy issues" memes afterwards.


axecrazy
Rivendell


Mar 25 2013, 9:04pm

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That bit worries me [In reply to] Can't Post

I was never comfortable with Bilbo's actions with regard to the Arkenstone. And his bias toward Elves.... well, I didn't like that much either, even when I was younger. Tolkien sometimes falls into talking down to me in the book, which is something I never appreciate as a reader. I like to draw my own conclusions, while the author should just concentrate on telling a good story.

Hopefully Jackson can get through this business without making all the parties involved look bad. None of them cover themselves with glory in the book. Even Gandalf is disappointing in the way he handles things. I hope whatever changes PJ makes are for the better...


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Maciliel
Tol Eressea


Mar 25 2013, 9:28pm

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ah, a kindred spirit [In reply to] Can't Post

 
I, too, was always uncomfortable that bilbo gave the arkenstone away. and poor thorin searching for it even as bilbo knew it was down in dale. however, i'm not sure what else he could have done to avert bloodshed. i believe i can remember my very first reading of the hobbit, having a sympathetic reaction to thorin when he found out, and started tearing into bilbo.

cheers --

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aka. fili orc-enshield
+++++++++++++++++++
the scene, as i understand it, is exceptionally well-written. fili (in sort of a callback to the scene with the eagles), calls out "thorRIIIIIIN!!!" just as he sees the pale orc veer in for the kill. he picks up the severed arm of an orc which is lying on the ground, swings it up in desperation, effectively blocking the pale orc's blow. and thus, forever after, fili is known as "fili orc-enshield."

this earns him deep respect from his hard-to-please uncle. as well as a hug. kili wipes his boots on the pale orc's glory box. -- maciliel


axecrazy
Rivendell


Mar 25 2013, 10:11pm

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It's tricky... [In reply to] Can't Post

On the one hand I understand what Bilbo was trying to do, but on the other hand Thorin showed him great friendship and kindness. Personally, I am loyal to my friends even if they are behaving badly. All I can say is that I myself would not have betrayed Thorin. Not for any reason. And certainly not for the sake of Elves or Men. Unimpressed Bilbo's actions will probably always be a matter for debate, but in the end all the drama was moot due to the coming of the Goblins.


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ElendilTheShort
Gondor


Mar 25 2013, 10:16pm

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There is an argument for the Arkenstone give away = road to hell is paved with good intentions [In reply to] Can't Post

As far as the elves are concerned their presence as an army at Erebor seemed wrong, if they were there to help the Laketown people with genuine aid, fair enough, but as assailants to the rightfull owners of the mountain, it was confusing to say the least. Thranduils comments about tarrying before going war over treasure seems at odds with his army being there. He should have with elven wisdom counselled Bard to remove all his people from the mountain and approach the dwarves in a more peacefull manner at a more appropriate time. The men and elves approached Erebor thinking the dwarves dead, when they realised they were not they should have shown the dwarves a great deal more respect and compassion as they were a people long disinherited of their home, and just recently back in possesion of it after facing a great deal of danger.


(This post was edited by ElendilTheShort on Mar 25 2013, 10:20pm)


ByThorinsBeard
Rohan


Mar 25 2013, 10:47pm

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I already loathe him [In reply to] Can't Post

but...talking character. Lee Pace is doing a great job of making him so damn awful. I never liked Thranduil or any of the Elves to begin with so...

I like the conflict with Orcrist. That's a wonderful idea and adds more to the dislike between both races.

Though I sincerely doubt Thorin will wield Deathless again, it would thrill me to no end if he got his wonderful Dwarven sword back.

"Logic will get you from A to B. Imagination will take you anywhere." - Albert Einstein.



Kimtc
Rohan


Mar 25 2013, 11:05pm

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I love this, too! [In reply to] Can't Post

It's like, "Hey, kid, we may look the same age, but don't think for a minute you are my equal."

Does make one wonder how Legolas ended up as such a nice, respectful person, with a dad like that.


Elenorflower
Gondor


Mar 25 2013, 11:11pm

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I think Thranduil [In reply to] Can't Post

will be the best thing in the films full stop. what with his sass and his lolling about on thrones and being all fabulous.


ElendilTheShort
Gondor


Mar 25 2013, 11:15pm

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What is "Deathless" [In reply to] Can't Post

is that one of Orcrist's names on the runes of the movie sword?


Kimtc
Rohan


Mar 25 2013, 11:21pm

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I wondered how he would handle this. [In reply to] Can't Post

One moment in the movie kind of stood out for me, when they arrive at the ruin of the farmer's house. Gandalf says that they should go to Rivendell for help, and Thorin rants away about how the elves didn't help them at Erebor. Gandalf's reaction is telling: he doesn't say anything, just kind of gets this chagrined look, like he knows the elves were jerks in that regard. You would think he might try to differentiate between Thranduil and Elrond.

In the book, there isn't really any explanation for why certain characters act the way they do--they just do it. In the movie, PJ oftentimes clears that up (particularly with Thorin), but Gandalf's reaction to me was very reminiscent of the way character reaction is sometime missing or deliberately ignored (because it wasn't really needed to advance the story). The entire Arkenstone saga in the book was one of those moments for me--more like a deux ex machina to get one character away from another, or to set up the initial conflict between Laketown and the dwarves; there was no real need to make it too clear why it was done, it just needed to happen. I do hope PJ fleshes this out a bit more; indeed, the discussion up to now about the Arkenstone has centered around Thror's love for it. Thorin hasn't mentioned it specifically at all, just talks about the wealth of Erebor in general. So maybe there will be something in DoS where he talks to Bilbo about why it's important to him (or maybe Thranduil will say something about that "gaudy stone your grandfather used to throw in my face" when he captures him). But I would hope it would make their actions more meaningful and understandable than in the book.


Maciliel
Tol Eressea


Mar 25 2013, 11:35pm

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i wonder... [In reply to] Can't Post


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"On the one hand I understand what Bilbo was trying to do, but on the other hand Thorin showed him great friendship and kindness. Personally, I am loyal to my friends even if they are behaving badly. All I can say is that I myself would not have betrayed Thorin. Not for any reason. And certainly not for the sake of Elves or Men. Bilbo's actions will probably always be a matter for debate, but in the end all the drama was moot due to the coming of the Goblins. "


i wonder.... let's say the orc army didn't arrive. bilbo's plan was that the arkenstone would become a bargaining chip for bard.

with thranduil around, i'm not sure that plan would have ended happily. he loved, loved, loved gems. rare gems. white gems. whoa -- arkenstone. that would be nice to add to the collection.

even if thranduil restrained himself, even if the orcs never showed up, would the dwarves really barter for an heirloom stolen (by their own burgler, no less) from them? i can easily see them flinging patience and caution to the winds and just going on a tear to retrieve the arkenstone and to beat the crap out of anyone who thought it might be kept from them.

so, although bilbo had good intentions, i'm thinking he might have inflamed the situation +and+ perhaps set it towards a horrible turning.


cheers --

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aka. fili orc-enshield
+++++++++++++++++++
the scene, as i understand it, is exceptionally well-written. fili (in sort of a callback to the scene with the eagles), calls out "thorRIIIIIIN!!!" just as he sees the pale orc veer in for the kill. he picks up the severed arm of an orc which is lying on the ground, swings it up in desperation, effectively blocking the pale orc's blow. and thus, forever after, fili is known as "fili orc-enshield."

this earns him deep respect from his hard-to-please uncle. as well as a hug. kili wipes his boots on the pale orc's glory box. -- maciliel


Maciliel
Tol Eressea


Mar 25 2013, 11:38pm

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deathless [In reply to] Can't Post

 

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What is "Deathless" -
is that one of Orcrist's names on the runes of the movie sword?


i believe "deathless" is the name of thorin's sword, the sword he carried before he took up orcrist.

boy, deathless was probably really miffed. it's a dwarven sword, and it got shunted aside for a blade made by --- elves.


cheers --

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aka. fili orc-enshield
+++++++++++++++++++
the scene, as i understand it, is exceptionally well-written. fili (in sort of a callback to the scene with the eagles), calls out "thorRIIIIIIN!!!" just as he sees the pale orc veer in for the kill. he picks up the severed arm of an orc which is lying on the ground, swings it up in desperation, effectively blocking the pale orc's blow. and thus, forever after, fili is known as "fili orc-enshield."

this earns him deep respect from his hard-to-please uncle. as well as a hug. kili wipes his boots on the pale orc's glory box. -- maciliel


ByThorinsBeard
Rohan


Mar 25 2013, 11:40pm

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Not Orcrist no [In reply to] Can't Post

according to the Hobbit AUJ Chrinicles Art & Design book, "Deathless" is Thorin's dwarven sword which he loses in the Battle at Moria. I love that sword even more now that I know it was named.

Macileil is right.

I know it won't happen, but I would love to see Thorin wield "Deathless" again.

"Logic will get you from A to B. Imagination will take you anywhere." - Albert Einstein.



(This post was edited by ByThorinsBeard on Mar 25 2013, 11:44pm)

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