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Tauriel's awful line
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GiantMushroomBear
Bree

Mar 24 2013, 10:47pm

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PLEASE, PJ. I AM BEGGING YOU, PLEASE CUT OUT THE LINE WHERE TAURIEL SAYS "YOU LIKE KILLING? YOU LIKE DEATH? I SHALL GIVE IT TO YOU."
If this is in the movie, the entire thing will be ruined. PLEASE, cut this out!


(This post was edited by entmaiden on Mar 24 2013, 10:51pm)


Lusitano
Tol Eressea


Mar 24 2013, 10:53pm

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I dont think the entire [In reply to] Can't Post

film will be ruined, but it sounds like a very untolkien line to me.

Who knows how these inventions will work...based on what we have seen , when they invent stuff, theres a good chance, it will be bad.

I can just picture Van Damme saying it..Crazy

Vous commencez Ó m'ennuyer avec le port!!!

(This post was edited by Lusitano on Mar 24 2013, 10:54pm)


╩leniel Tindome
Bree


Mar 24 2013, 10:55pm

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Oh no - forgot about that but... [In reply to] Can't Post

... I didnt like the costume either. Its kinda boring compared to the other detailed costumes. Was a bit disappointed, cause I was looking forward to make a new female fight costume.

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Aragorn the Elfstone
Grey Havens


Mar 24 2013, 10:56pm

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You guys can be sooo predictable. [In reply to] Can't Post

LOL

"All men dream; but not equally. Those who dream by night in the dusty recesses of their minds awake to find that it was vanity; But the dreamers of day are dangerous men. That they may act their dreams with open eyes to make it possible."
- T.E. Lawrence


marillaraina
Rohan

Mar 24 2013, 10:57pm

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It wasn't that bad [In reply to] Can't Post

First off I think she says "Do you like death, then I shall give it to you", which whether Tolkien or not, sounds like something that could easily have been dialogue in Lord of the Rings. It sounds Rohan-ish or even Aragorn. Maybe Aragorn got too evolved as the movie went on to say such a line, but I can easily imagine Strider saying it as we first met him, especially to an Orc.

I don't think it stands out from most of the other dialogue.

As well, I like her costume because it's more practical and fitting to her station. It only makes sense that the elven guard costumes would sort of resemble Legolas' really. These are woodland elves, I have a feeling they are going to be slightly more concerned with being practical in their garb than how cool they look. They live and fight in a great, dense forest, their clothing should reflect that to some extent.


(This post was edited by marillaraina on Mar 24 2013, 11:04pm)


Rane
Bree


Mar 24 2013, 11:00pm

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Tell me about it [In reply to] Can't Post

It's quite sad really. You know, if people don't like the previews they have the option (amazing right?) of not seeing the movie. One line will not "ruin" the movie unless you purposely hinge your whole experience on it.

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jimmyfenn
Rohan


Mar 24 2013, 11:02pm

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toss [In reply to] Can't Post

unless those lines involve tossing dwarves, which is an insult to everyone.

"You Tolkien to me?!" - Hobbit de Niro


Roheryn
Grey Havens

Mar 24 2013, 11:21pm

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So imagine this: [In reply to] Can't Post

You're an angry female Silvan Elf (big stretch, I know). You're full of adrenalin. You've got an orc on its knees. What do *you* say to it? Tauriel's line sounds pretty reasonable under the circumstances.


Glorfindela
Valinor


Mar 24 2013, 11:31pm

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Please, please, PJ [In reply to] Can't Post

Get rid of 'Tauriel', or at least make her part very minor indeed if you do have to have this invented character in the film. There's enough going on with the major characters, old and new, without this addition.


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PLEASE, PJ. I AM BEGGING YOU, PLEASE CUT OUT THE LINE WHERE TAURIEL SAYS "YOU LIKE KILLING? YOU LIKE DEATH? I SHALL GIVE IT TO YOU."
If this is in the movie, the entire thing will be ruined. PLEASE, cut this out!



╩leniel Tindome
Bree


Mar 24 2013, 11:34pm

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Costume... [In reply to] Can't Post

@AragornTheElfstone - yes.Angelic

@marillaraina - okay, thats true, but even Legolas practical woodland-travel fashion in LOTR had more nice details and was fabricated in an elegant way. Its just obvious that Ngila Dickson is not on board anymore.


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Elessar
Valinor


Mar 24 2013, 11:37pm

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You just have to [In reply to] Can't Post

ignore it to be honest.



Elessar
Valinor


Mar 24 2013, 11:39pm

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I'm not insulted [In reply to] Can't Post

I didn't even know about any issues until you had a couple of people get overly sensitive about it here.



╩leniel Tindome
Bree


Mar 24 2013, 11:43pm

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I know [In reply to] Can't Post

..just studied some screenshots, her leggins and boots seem to have nice floral ornaments, so there are some nice details after all

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Lusitano
Tol Eressea


Mar 24 2013, 11:45pm

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Why the condescending speech? [In reply to] Can't Post

His grievance is understandable. His fiery fervor is also understandable as a fan of Tolkien. Should we be excited and happy about this wonderfull inclusion to the adaptation of TH?Would Tolkien be happy with it?

What did you think of the line and Tauriel?


Not that i think the whole film woul be ruined, but it would make me cringe really bad...

Vous commencez Ó m'ennuyer avec le port!!!


marillaraina
Rohan

Mar 24 2013, 11:47pm

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costumes [In reply to] Can't Post


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@AragornTheElfstone - yes.Angelic

@marillaraina - okay, thats true, but even Legolas practical woodland-travel fashion in LOTR had more nice details and was fabricated in an elegant way. Its just obvious that Ngila Dickson is not on board anymore.



I just saw a screen cap of Tauriel and her costume was every bit as detailed as Legolos. The material has a sort of raised pattern, her arm guards have a pattern, her waist cinch is interesting.

These elves are not the same elves, they shouldn't be quite so elegant, they are supposed to be a little more down to earth. But her costume has plenty of detailing on it.


Arannir
Valinor

Mar 24 2013, 11:52pm

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I don't see it doing any more harm to the movie as lines such as... [In reply to] Can't Post

"A diversion." Or the red sun.

Cool


Aragorn the Elfstone
Grey Havens


Mar 25 2013, 12:04am

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I was fine with the line myself. [In reply to] Can't Post

But I knew, as the first line spoken by a non-Tolkien character, it would be ripped to shreds on the boards.

Regardless, I do think it's unfair to judge a line head as part of behind-the-scenes b-roll. There's no sense of the atmosphere of the film in that moment. You don't have the intended camera framing, idea of character, structure, pace, or even the accompanying musical score.

"All men dream; but not equally. Those who dream by night in the dusty recesses of their minds awake to find that it was vanity; But the dreamers of day are dangerous men. That they may act their dreams with open eyes to make it possible."
- T.E. Lawrence


(This post was edited by Aragorn the Elfstone on Mar 25 2013, 12:06am)


Nightwing
Bree

Mar 25 2013, 12:09am

Post #18 of 52 (1146 views)
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A poor line, yes [In reply to] Can't Post

But I can't help but to think that I'm going to like Tauriel. Probably because the actress herself seems very likeable.

Philippa Boyens and Fran Walsh can't write, and Galadriel is not the most powerful being in all of Middle-earth. She is inferior to Sauron, Saruman, and Gandalf.


MouthofSauron
Tol Eressea


Mar 25 2013, 12:14am

Post #19 of 52 (1104 views)
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yes....any line not in the books....should be cut out [In reply to] Can't Post

so i guess they should cut out all the scenes that are not in the books too...


take me down to the woodland realm where the trees are green and the elf women are pretty....Oh will you please take me home!!


Roheryn
Grey Havens

Mar 25 2013, 12:14am

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Or [In reply to] Can't Post

"Give us the halfling, she-elf!"

Just be glad George Lucas isn't writing the script. We'd have buckets-ful of groaners for sure.


Lusitano
Tol Eressea


Mar 25 2013, 12:17am

Post #21 of 52 (1099 views)
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Thats all true [In reply to] Can't Post

but that accursed george lucas dialogue still sounded bad on the page. I got a distinct Van Damme feel form her.Tongue

Hopefully, it wont be so ...cringe worthy..

As to it being ripped to shreds, well, i support that. Its a natural Tolkien induced reaction. Wink

Vous commencez Ó m'ennuyer avec le port!!!


marillaraina
Rohan

Mar 25 2013, 12:18am

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Sorry [In reply to] Can't Post


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..just studied some screenshots, her leggins and boots seem to have nice floral ornaments, so there are some nice details after all



Sorry, when I was typing up my post I didn't realize you'd already posted.


╩leniel Tindome
Bree


Mar 25 2013, 12:19am

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ROFLOOOL [In reply to] Can't Post


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but that accursed george lucas dialogue still sounded bad on the page. I got a distinct Van Damme feel form her.Tongue



marillaraina
Rohan

Mar 25 2013, 12:21am

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Ahhh!! [In reply to] Can't Post


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"Give us the halfling, she-elf!"

Just be glad George Lucas isn't writing the script. We'd have buckets-ful of groaners for sure.



I don't even want to think about what it would be like with George Lucas writing it.


Lusitano
Tol Eressea


Mar 25 2013, 12:23am

Post #25 of 52 (1049 views)
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Cheers [In reply to] Can't Post

Wink


Two people here thought of GLucas and brought him to the discussion because of her dialogue...i have a bad feeling about this...Sly

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