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Would a TV series Adaptation work?

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Rohan

Mar 19 2013, 1:43pm

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Its something thats been mentioned in the past but not for awhile so I just wondered what peoples opinions are, could LOTR be made into a TV series and what would the advantages and disadvanatges be?

Personally I think the likes of Game of Thrones have shown than in a technical sense a TV series is possible even today(and likely moreso a few years down the line when another adaptation would seem more likely), it might not match Jacksons LOTR for scale but it could be good enough for the material. Equally I think we've seen that actors of the highest level who could do the material justice are willing to work on TV.

The main advantage of a TV series to me would be that it would allow for much greater detail to be covered and thus something thats less likely to feel like a retred of Jacksons films.

The most obvious disadvantage seems to be that a TV series will tend to be more episodic even if your dealing with 1 hour+ episodes. FOTR seems to lend itself pretty well to this kind of adaptation but as the narrative becomes less episodic in TTT and ROTK would the sdame be true? I spose the counter to that might be to devote an episode to each side of the story this allowing for more ground to be covered.

Having a quick go at coming up with 3 ten episodes seasons...

FOTR

1.A Long Expected Party
2.A Shadow of the Past to Buckleberry
3.The Old Forrest to Bombadil
4.Barrows to Bree
5.Bree to Weathertop
6.The Flight to the Ford and Council of Elrond
7.Journey South, Redhorn Gate to the Gate of Moria
8.Moria
9.Lorien
10.The Great River and Breaking the Fellowship.

TTT

1. Emin Muir and Gollum
2. The Three Hunters and Merry and Pippin
3. The Dead Marshes to the Black Gate
4. Ride to Edoras and Freeing Theoden
5. Ent Moot
6. Ithillien and Faramir
7. Helms Deep and Ents attack Isenguard
8. Minas Mogul
9 .The Voice of Saurman + Palatir
10.Shelob

ROTK

1.Sam Rescues Frodo from Cirith Ungol
2.Arrival at Minas Tirith to Faramir's Injury
3.Muster of Rohan and Paths of the Dead
4.Journey Across Mordor
5.Battle of Pellenor
6.Rohan/Aragorn to the Rescue, Houses of Healing
7.Mt Doom/Battle of the Black Gate
8.Celebrations and Journey Home
9.Scouring of the Shire
10.Into the West


sauget.diblosio
Tol Eressea

Mar 19 2013, 3:23pm

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about a reboot where we talked about this quite a bit. Like i said there, i think the only way to go in the future as far as a LotR adaptation goes would be an HBO style, Game of Thrones/Band of Brothers-type series/miniseries. I like your idea of a 3 season arc, kind of like how they do it in England, with a finite 2 or 3 season (or "series", as they would say) run. I was thinking that since LotR is broken up into 'books', doing 3 hours per book, and having an 18-20 hour, Band of Brothers style miniseries.

Regardless, i think anything of this sort is at least 10-15 years down the road.


Kendalf
Rohan


Mar 20 2013, 3:45pm

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Its something thats been mentioned in the past but not for awhile so I just wondered what peoples opinions are, could LOTR be made into a TV series and what would the advantages and disadvanatges be?

Yes. Yes, it could. And, to be perfectly honest, I think each book is probably better suited to the generous expanse of a 10-hour season than it is to a 3-hour movie. And I can't argue much with your postulated Episode Guide, either. One thing it retains that the movies didn't is the heart-wrenching cliffhanger at the end of Two Towers. I'll remember forever the impact that climax had on me the first time I read it. "Frodo was alive but taken by the enemy" Bam! End of Season Two Laugh

"I have found it is the small everyday deeds of ordinary folk that keep the darkness at bay. Small acts of kindness and love."


Rostron2
Gondor


Mar 20 2013, 4:11pm

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But none of the HBO-type networks are going to pick it up. It would have to be BBC or PBS produced.

Basically, since no one gets nude or has graphic sex, it won't appeal to those networks. Just saying.


Otaku-sempai
Half-elven


Mar 20 2013, 11:40pm

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I could see Syfy attempting it... [In reply to] Can't Post

...or maybe even AMC. I just don't know that such a project would be given the budget needed for a successful adaptation. I keep thinking that this was one of the reasons why the Dragonriders of Pern television series failed before even a pilot could film (although, creative interference seems to have been a larger factor in the latter case).

'There are older and fouler things than Orcs in the deep places of the world.' - Gandalf the Grey, The Fellowship of the Ring


acheron
Gondor


Mar 21 2013, 2:37am

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Syfy? [In reply to] Can't Post

In the scene at the Moria gate they could do a crossover with Sharktopus.

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dik-dik
Lorien


Mar 21 2013, 9:38am

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I'd segment the books differently, but... [In reply to] Can't Post

... I like the idea of a mini-series. (for example, I can imagine quite a few people falling asleep during the Entmoot episode, and demanding more of Helm's Deep than just one episode ;) ) I'm fine with LotR being crammed into three movies, but it would be interesting to see it in greater detail as a series as well. Same with The Hobbit which would also make a wonderful bedtime TV series for kids if animated (no idea how many countries have this tradition).
A book which would work much better for me as series than actual movies, would be The Silmarillion.

"A journalist once asked me what I would like my epitaph to be and I said I think I would like it to be 'He did very little harm'. And that's not easy. Most people seem to me to do a great deal of harm. If I could be remembered as having done very little, that would suit me." ~ Paul Eddington


Otaku-sempai
Half-elven


Mar 21 2013, 1:45pm

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Syfy isn't THAT bad... [In reply to] Can't Post


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In the scene at the Moria gate they could do a crossover with Sharktopus.



Syfy has aired some pretty cheesy movies, but most of those are made by film companies such as Asylum; and even those movies have their audience (hi, Tony!). The network is also responsible for more worthy efforts like the revamped Battlestar Galactica. For the record, I was deeply disappointed with Syfy's Earthsea adaptation.

'There are older and fouler things than Orcs in the deep places of the world.' - Gandalf the Grey, The Fellowship of the Ring

(This post was edited by Otaku-sempai on Mar 21 2013, 1:51pm)


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Rohan

Mar 21 2013, 5:05pm

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Thats I'd say the difficultly with any LOTR adaptation... [In reply to] Can't Post


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... I like the idea of a mini-series. (for example, I can imagine quite a few people falling asleep during the Entmoot episode, and demanding more of Helm's Deep than just one episode ;) ) I'm fine with LotR being crammed into three movies, but it would be interesting to see it in greater detail as a series as well. Same with The Hobbit which would also make a wonderful bedtime TV series for kids if animated (no idea how many countries have this tradition).
A book which would work much better for me as series than actual movies, would be The Silmarillion.



The level of detail in Tolkiens work might be best suited for a TV series but his long slow climax's(espeically in TTT and ROTK) are argebuley better suited for films.


Kendalf
Rohan


Mar 21 2013, 6:15pm

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BSG was quite tremendous, true [In reply to] Can't Post


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Syfy...is also responsible for more worthy efforts like the revamped Battlestar Galactica.


True, and that was one of the best things I've ever seen on TV.

But, it's more of an exception than the norm as far as SyFy is concerned; I simply don't think they have the creative chops or financial muscle to tackle LotR, or at least tackle it and do it justice.

The only serious contender is HBO, surely? Maybe with some BBC input?

"I have found it is the small everyday deeds of ordinary folk that keep the darkness at bay. Small acts of kindness and love."


Kendalf
Rohan


Mar 21 2013, 6:25pm

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But none of the HBO-type networks are going to pick it up...Basically, since no one gets nude or has graphic sex, it won't appeal to those networks.


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"I have found it is the small everyday deeds of ordinary folk that keep the darkness at bay. Small acts of kindness and love."


Ataahua
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Mar 21 2013, 6:28pm

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a SciFi-themed channel that thought 'SyFy' was a smart and clever brand.

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Dwarves: "Pretty rings..."
Men: "Pretty rings..."
Sauron: "Mine's better."

"Ah, how ironic, the addictive qualities of Sauron’s master weapon led to its own destruction. Which just goes to show, kids - if you want two small and noble souls to succeed on a mission of dire importance... send an evil-minded beggar with them too." - Gandalf's Diaries, final par, by Ufthak.


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moreorless
Rohan

Mar 21 2013, 7:10pm

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Syfy...is also responsible for more worthy efforts like the revamped Battlestar Galactica.


True, and that was one of the best things I've ever seen on TV.

But, it's more of an exception than the norm as far as SyFy is concerned; I simply don't think they have the creative chops or financial muscle to tackle LotR, or at least tackle it and do it justice.

The only serious contender is HBO, surely? Maybe with some BBC input?



Generally the BBC's fantasy/sci fi output has been pretty low budget and on the pulpy(but family friendly) side in recent years, I'm guessing because it would be hard to justify the cost of anything more serious that may have a limated audience.

LOTR's(along with Harry Potter thats unlikely to be remain) is really the only serious fantasy that could make a good case for having a mainstream audience.

One interesting thing to consider I spose is that the BBC maybe looking for a new "tentpole" production, I'd argue that in recent years its been the Attenborough wildlife series(espeically from Planet Earth onwards) and Top Gear that have forfilled those roles but while I still enjoy both I think you can also argue both are somewhat repeating themselves.


Ereinion Nénharma
Lorien

Mar 21 2013, 8:37pm

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it would definitely work.
But, I would want to include The Hobbit, some of the things that happened between TH and LOTR and some of the 'happenings' in the other parts of Middle-earth during the War of the Ring (Mirkwood, Lothlorién, Dale, etc.).
So that would make a season or 8, I guess.

''Do not fear the shadows, for seeing them means light is near...''

(This post was edited by Ereinion Nénharma on Mar 21 2013, 8:39pm)


Ereinion Nénharma
Lorien

Mar 21 2013, 8:43pm

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with you on ''Helm's Deep''. Everything leading up to the battle could be in one episode and the battle itself in another episode. And Théoden saying; ''Is this it? Is this all you can conjure, Saruman?'' followed by the wall blowing up and a look at a horrified Théoden would make a fantastic cliffhanger.

''Do not fear the shadows, for seeing them means light is near...''

(This post was edited by Ereinion Nénharma on Mar 21 2013, 8:44pm)


Rostron2
Gondor


Mar 21 2013, 9:01pm

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