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bborchar
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Mar 21 2013, 12:54pm

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Just watched the new trailer for that movie today, and I absolutely can't wait to see it. Despite the massive overuse of lens flare, I loved the first movie of this series because it basically blew up everything we ever knew about the Star Trek canon. We get another small hint as to who Benedict Cumberbatch's character is, but still nothing huge. Have to say, I loved his line about "walking over your cold corpses". Anyone else dying to see this movie?


entmaiden
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Mar 21 2013, 3:36pm

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I was surprised how much I enjoyed the first movie, which I saw 10 times in theaters. I wasn't that much of a Star Trek fan before, although I do like the original series and the Next Generation re-boot, but I loved the Star Trek movie. I'm very excited for this next one!


Lusitano
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Mar 21 2013, 3:42pm

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 a hero will rise.


I stopped right there.

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Brethil
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Mar 21 2013, 4:26pm

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I too enjoyed the first one a lot. I have no problem with alternate dimensional storytelling and I found it a fresh take on the material. I just watched the second trailer, and I liked seeing more of BC! (Whatever he says, in no matter what role these days, I hear as "Smaug-ish"... silly but true!) Didn't see any more hints about Spock's fate - but from that hands touching between glass I was wondering if they plan to lose Spock again.

I had that in mind since those first "KHAN you believe it..." comments that came out - thankfully they did not make the colossal error of trying to remake Wrath of Khan. But I wonder if that loss will be a parallel in this new series, like an inescapable fact of Kirk and Spock's relationship.

(I saw it multiple times in theater too, Entamaiden!)

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bborchar
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Mar 21 2013, 4:36pm

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Sorry, I don't understand your comment.


Lusitano
Tol Eressea


Mar 21 2013, 4:41pm

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has a line that reads :


" when our leaders fail, a Hero will rise"

I stopped watching the trailer right there.

Not that the lens flare abuse, computer explosions , typical character lines and reactions werent exactly deliciously inspiring and original..

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bborchar
Rohan


Mar 21 2013, 4:51pm

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It's not as if that line is in the movie... [In reply to] Can't Post

...which it's not. No one actually says that. Plus we have absolutely no idea who this terrorist really is, so we don't know if it's "typical" or not. In the beginning of the movie, he tells a man with a dying daughter that he can save her...so apparently, he's not all bad...or wasn't, at least.

And there's nothing new or original under the sun. I stopped worrying about that years ago, and just watch or read whatever interests me. And I like explosions, as long as they are sensibly done :P


Rosie-with-the-ribbons
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Mar 21 2013, 5:05pm

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Looking forward to this one in May.

I love the line "I am better, (at what) everything".

I'm only not sure about the music. I know a trailer usually just borrows music from somewhere, this sounds too much like Requiem for a dream to me (I love that piece of music, it is only being over-used).



swordwhale
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Mar 21 2013, 5:16pm

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her neverending mission, to seek out new worlds, new fans, to boldy go... [In reply to] Can't Post

I had a 6th grade crush on George Takei. And Leonard Nimoy. I have somewhere, that orginal TV Guide with the "what theheck is this stuff with warp drive and pointy ears???" article about the new fall series. I had a stuffed zebra named Uhura ( I had a rather more extensive horse collection, "Uhura" was an honor to my favorite TV female role model).

I dreaded the reboot. Nobody, but nobody could replace George Takei, or Leonard Nimoy, or Nichelle Nichols.

I have never been so wrong...

I think it was when I recognized the characters even without the red and gold and blue shirts or the classic sets. They nailed it. Especially Spock. And the riff on Sulu as swordsman (a minor bit in one episode that somehow, everyone remembers) was awesome.

I can't wait.

And I think I'll add Benedict Cumberbatch to the crush list.

Go outside and play...


bborchar
Rohan


Mar 21 2013, 5:25pm

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And I think I'll add Benedict Cumberbatch to the crush list.


I didn't think I could ever have a crush on Benedict Cumberbatch...he's completely the anti-traditional hollywood hero type. But after watching Sherlock, I am completely hooked. I'll find it difficult to root against him in this, that's for sure lol. He's my current desktop wallpaper.


Lusitano
Tol Eressea


Mar 21 2013, 6:01pm

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in the movie, but theres only so much cheesy trailers i can stomach.

After a while, its just the same repeated formulas, and constructions, and dialogues...


Oh but there is! You just have to find it and disregard the rest.

I dont get my mind or cinematic mojo turned on by computer cgi cabuuum and cabaaaaam so, ....thats mainly put there because the studios know the demographics who appreciate that stuff will eat it up with a spoon, even if theres a dumb script and predictable characters and plots...

To me its just yaaaaawwn


But an explosion that is memorable, and with a purpose behind it and if done originally, it can have such an impact. Like last years GOT wildfire blast.

But i am not a trekkie anyway so...

I am just worried about star wars and the return of the lens flare Tongue

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bborchar
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Mar 21 2013, 6:33pm

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I wouldn't call myself a Trekkie... [In reply to] Can't Post

...by any stretch of the imagination. Far from it, actually. Never really liked any of the movies (and despised some of them). Haven't even seen the wrath of khan (that automatically disqualifies me there). I just find these movies to be more interesting than the original trek because they blew up the entire canon and started from scratch. Now they are going down a road very different from what people are used to- if that's not original, I don't know what is. It seems more character driven this time around- and trailers have to be jam packed with action, otherwise they wouldn't catch our attention. Honestly, I find the story of Benedict Cumberbatch's character to be the biggest reason I will see this when it comes out.

At this point, I couldn't care less about the new Star Wars - the franchise has been irreparably ruined for me by the sheer idiocy of George Lucas - same with Indiana Jones. I don't go in for stupid or badly written movies, and until the Star Wars franchise can prove that it has washed the stink of the previous trilogy off of its hands, I won't spend another dime on it.


Lusitano
Tol Eressea


Mar 21 2013, 9:04pm

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is my favourite. And Phantom was my first SW. Unsure Stop raping my good memories. Laugh

If George Lucas dumbed down the prequels, frankly, any average good director can do a better job. Hes a greater ideas man, but as far as writing and directing, hes lost it completely. So i look forward to the future...hes retired now and has passed the torch.

Agreed, i find Cumberbatch the only good reason to watch this. Not because of his awesome character, but because of him as an actor, hes quite interesting.

As to trailers being jampacked with what you euphemistically call "action" and i call "yawn inducer", in order for our attention to be catched,...speak for yourself mate. My favourite trailers have few action and focus more on style, dialogue, characters and vistas.

Even the John Rambo trailer had a more interesting use of the violence, rythm, music ... It wasnt alwasy there, in your face, all the time, saying : OH LOOK CABUUUUUMMM look how good it looks! More cgi and more cgi! Cabuuuuuuum! More cgi!

But whatever, i suspect this is not my cup of tea anyway.


As to the fandom...many fans hate that they started from scratch and hate the director. But thats another issue.

I certainly wont lose any sleep if the movie turns out to be a pile of Radagsts finest make up.
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(This post was edited by Lusitano on Mar 21 2013, 9:05pm)


bborchar
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Mar 21 2013, 9:20pm

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I've seen the three prequels... [In reply to] Can't Post

..once each. I even had to look up what ROST was because I seriously had not seen it since the one time in theaters when it came out. Empire Strikes Back was and always will be the best Star Wars movie imo. The prequels just took themselves way to seriously for the bad writing it was given. And despite the fact that it had great actors, the acting was stiff and nearly unwatchable. And despite my love for the first trilogy of Star Wars, I don't own them on blu-ray (like I do everything else I really like) because I refuse to buy the "enhanced" versions of the movies. I've heard that Disney plans on releasing the originals as they were on blu-ray, and when they do, they will get my money.

If you liked the last Star Trek movie, odds are, you will like this one. If you didn't, then you probably won't like this one. These movies don't feel like the original Star Trek at all, which is fine with me...the original Star Trek story has been done to death in every incarnation possible. I think this movie has the potential to be one of the better Star Trek movies, but I can't make that judgment until I see it. And yes, I can probably tell you the entire plot of it right here...however, I don't know what the backstory is, and that's what will be interesting for me. If the movie sucks, it sucks, and I'll move on with my life, because it's just a movie.

I want anything at all that I can look forward to until Sherlock comes back on next winter (I want to see this even more than DoS), and there are quite a few good things coming out this year.


JWPlatt
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Mar 21 2013, 11:43pm

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Just watched the new trailer for that movie today, and I absolutely can't wait to see it. Despite the massive overuse of lens flare, I loved the first movie of this series because it basically blew up everything we ever knew about the Star Trek canon.

I love the comment about the lens flare. By now, it's such a personal cliché for Abrams, it's like using the "Wilhelm" every three seconds. It used to be that only amateurs would allow lens flare into their films. Now it's somehow "cool." What it really is, is stupid Emperor's Clothes. No JJ, it ain't cool and you're naked.

As for the rest - insanity.

One of my overalls complaints about the Berman and Braga era - okay, two - is not listening to what the audience wanted or valued and peeing like dogs on the franchise to forever leave their stink by snuffing characters (Kirk, Data, Picard's family), etc, etc, and now new writers snuff Vulcan (and Romulus!) for the Coup de grâce, on a whim for personal glory or cheap thrills in the name of drama - not for the good of the story or the franchise. What they did to Picard's family, burning them to death in a fire, just to give Soran a quote was utterly unforgivable, completely trashing the memory and enjoyment of Family, one of the top favorite episodes of Next Generation. It was a terrible thing to do and it left poor Picard with nothing - just to give the line to a forgettable villain who the writers then used to kill Kirk. More egotistic, self-centered writing.

It was like how the writers for another franchise snuffed Newt, Hicks and Bishop in Alien 3. Meaningless. Jim Cameron agrees. I always hoped the Alien franchise would go back and erase or ignore Newt and Hicks' meaningless deaths. Similarly for Star Trek, the NEXT reboot should go back and do something with the original timeline, sans the Kirk/Data/Picard/Vulcan/Romulus debacles, and show those peeing dogs what's what.

As good as the movie might be, your Star Trek isn't Star Trek.


(This post was edited by JWPlatt on Mar 21 2013, 11:48pm)


bborchar
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Mar 22 2013, 12:06am

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As good as the movie might be, your Star Trek isn't Star Trek.


Didn't realize that this was "my" movie, or "my" version of Star Trek because I happen to like the last movie and I'm looking forward to this. I grew up watching TNG, and enjoyed it very much, then watched DS9, and liked it, too. Tried to watch Voyager, but it sucked and I stopped caring about Star Trek after that.

However, the new franchise did not destroy Vulcan just to make it "dramatic"...they did it to wipe the slate clean. There is absolutely nothing left to do in the original Star Trek universe. Nothing. They have milked every possible storyline, created new franchises and characters, made movie after movie, wrote book after book, until there was this absolutely MASSIVE canon that would make any new take on the franchise impossible to do. It was stale. That was what Enterprise did so poorly- it was TERRIBLY written, badly acted and nowhere near as good as its predecessors. After Enterprise, there was the longest gap without Star Trek there had been since TNG. So, given the choice between letting Star Trek just completely die under its own weight and history, they wiped the slate clean and started from scratch. Not everyone likes that idea...but finally, people could come up with new ideas for the characters, explore different angles and just basically do something completely different.

If this movie lives up to the promise of the trailers, I will gladly see it again and eventually own it. I still like TNG and DS9, too. Nothing precludes me from liking the old universe and the new one.


Brethil
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Mar 22 2013, 12:13am

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If this movie lives up to the promise of the trailers, I will gladly see it again and eventually own it. I still like TNG and DS9, too. Nothing precludes me from liking the old universe and the new one.


I can live with new incarnations. And since none of this is real anyway, who cares if they blow up a planet and start fresh? It's sci fi, after all... and I've been watching it since I was four. I had to manually change the channels back then too...talk about different universes! Wink

Hell hath no fury like a Dragon who is missing a cup.


JWPlatt
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Mar 22 2013, 12:40am

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As good as the movie might be, your Star Trek isn't Star Trek.


Didn't realize that this was "my" movie, or "my" version of Star Trek because I happen to like the last movie and I'm looking forward to this. I grew up watching TNG, and enjoyed it very much, then watched DS9, and liked it, too. Tried to watch Voyager, but it sucked and I stopped caring about Star Trek after that.

However, the new franchise did not destroy Vulcan just to make it "dramatic"...they did it to wipe the slate clean. There is absolutely nothing left to do in the original Star Trek universe. Nothing. They have milked every possible storyline, created new franchises and characters, made movie after movie, wrote book after book, until there was this absolutely MASSIVE canon that would make any new take on the franchise impossible to do. It was stale. That was what Enterprise did so poorly- it was TERRIBLY written, badly acted and nowhere near as good as its predecessors. After Enterprise, there was the longest gap without Star Trek there had been since TNG. So, given the choice between letting Star Trek just completely die under its own weight and history, they wiped the slate clean and started from scratch. Not everyone likes that idea...but finally, people could come up with new ideas for the characters, explore different angles and just basically do something completely different.

"Your" Star Trek obviously means the Star Trek that you enjoy. I think that's very clear, and it makes me wonder why you're being obtuse about it. I'm a very, very longtime Trekkie. Long enough that I prefer "Trekkie" over "Trekker" (dumb) and went to one of the first Star Trek conventions ever. I also mostly enjoyed Star Trek X and no doubt will enjoy Star Trek XI, but not because it's Star Trek.

For the rest, you're only parroting the well-known party line, nearly verbatim, almost as if you are with the creative team, without any effort to think independently or critically or to see beyond the propaganda. But thanks for not liking the lens flare.


(This post was edited by JWPlatt on Mar 22 2013, 12:42am)


bborchar
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Mar 22 2013, 1:13am

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What the "party line" is because I never looked that up. I don't follow Star Trek and am content with watching the movies as they come out. I'm fine with people disagreeing with me, but much prefer if they don't insult my intelligence when they do. I'm not obtuse, I am quite good at critical thinking, and I don't promote "propaganda". I simply made the observation that the filmmaker made a decision to start with a fresh story (which is obvious to anyone who knows even a little about Star Trek), and that I liked the direction it took. The whole story is make-believe, so there is no right or wrong when it comes to the universe, and I don't prefer one version of it over the other. I will fully and freely admit that I don't live and breathe Star Trek; but that doesn't make my opinion of the movie less valid. I don't live and breathe Tolkien, either, but I still enjoy the books and movies and discussing my opinion about them. But with civility.


grammaboodawg
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Mar 22 2013, 1:31am

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I saw the extended trailer at the IMAX DVD Hobbit... and I was blown away! Even Pike's voice was so evocative. Karl Urban's McCoy is so incredibly spot-on, imho. All the players are fantastic! This is gonna be great!



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JWPlatt
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Mar 22 2013, 1:34am

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Sorry, I meant deliberately obtuse, not naturally obtuse. The former does require intelligence.

I believe there is right and wrong, even if the Universe at large doesn't care. I'm not a relativist, except in the area of physics.


Brethil
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Mar 22 2013, 2:05am

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What the "party line" is because I never looked that up. I don't follow Star Trek and am content with watching the movies as they come out. I'm fine with people disagreeing with me, but much prefer if they don't insult my intelligence when they do. I'm not obtuse, I am quite good at critical thinking, and I don't promote "propaganda". I simply made the observation that the filmmaker made a decision to start with a fresh story (which is obvious to anyone who knows even a little about Star Trek), and that I liked the direction it took. The whole story is make-believe, so there is no right or wrong when it comes to the universe, and I don't prefer one version of it over the other. I will fully and freely admit that I don't live and breathe Star Trek; but that doesn't make my opinion of the movie less valid. I don't live and breathe Tolkien, either, but I still enjoy the books and movies and discussing my opinion about them. But with civility.



I think your opinions have always been clear, enjoyable, intelligent and, most importantly, flawlesly civil.
We seem to have strayed far from a fun-starting sort of discussion, but as Gramma notes above, Into darkness is something to look forward to. NIce that its in summer again. You haven't tried Wrath of Khan yet? Its arguably the best of the original film series, and I wonder as I said above if they aren't aiming to echo some of the events.

Hell hath no fury like a Dragon who is missing a cup.

(This post was edited by Brethil on Mar 22 2013, 2:11am)


bborchar
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Mar 22 2013, 2:35am

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I appreciate it :) I guess it surprises me that something like this can be so divisive, but there it is. But for me, it is about fun- that's the point of a summer blockbuster. I don't get the opportunity to watch many movies these days, so I like to make them count.

As for Wrath of Khan: my husband wants me to see it, too, so I guess I will watch it one day. The last of the original Star Trek movies I watched was the one with the whales, and I just could not stop laughing. Someone must have been on some crazy drugs to dream that one up.


Kimtc
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Mar 22 2013, 2:35am

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Some things I see him in, I'm kind of meh (War Horse, Parade's End). But Sherlock, I could watch him in an endless loop forever. So for me it's character over actor.


Brethil
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Mar 22 2013, 3:03am

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if you watch it. Would love to hear your thoughts. I can assure you it is an entirely different vibe than The Voyage Home. If you do, you will understand my hands-on-glass question. Just skip the first one (ST: The Motion Picture) no matter WHAT else you watch! Wink

Anything can be divisive, I suppose. But in this context nothing needs to be.

Hell hath no fury like a Dragon who is missing a cup.

(This post was edited by Brethil on Mar 22 2013, 3:06am)

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