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The One Ring Forums: Tolkien Topics: Movie Discussion: The Hobbit:
Reminder of how troubling this Gandalf as a sub-agent of Galadriel is.

AinurOlorin
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Mar 21, 2:50am

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Reminder of how troubling this Gandalf as a sub-agent of Galadriel is.	Can't Post

And I LOVE Galadriel, in her power and her glory and her insight. But she is certainly not the supervisor or superior officer of any of The Ainur, incarnate or not. And that is the notion a lot of layman come away with, and who can really blame them with the way some of these scenes have been set up. I showed the movie last night to relatives who love the genre and the Rings films but are casual, and not lore learned in the story. They took Elrond's line as a clear indicator that Gandalf was indeed answerable to Galadriel. And I have heard that from other lay fans besides.

I know some here may not see it, but that is because we already KNOW better, so we read more into the nuance and find the ways in which that scene, for example, didn't have to imply such a thing. Yet, for all those who don't already know, those implications are pretty strong.

I fear (hope it is not so) that Phillipa and Peter may have intended this, and are as tickled as teenagers at the notion that millions are sitting around thinking of Galadriel as Gandalf's boss. But it just isn't right at all.

"Hear me, hounds of Sauron, Gandalf is here! Fly if you value your foul skins, I will shrivel you from tail to snout if you step within this circle!"

"Do not be to eager to deal out death in judgement. Even the very wise cannot see all ends."

(This post was edited by Altaira on Mar 21, 3:45am)

Subject	User	Time
Reminder of how troubling this Gandalf as a sub-agent of Galadriel is.	AinurOlorin	Mar 21, 2:50am
It's a flaw in the film	MorgolKing	Mar 21, 3:10am
God save me from the anger/frustration at willful erroneousness anyeurysm i feel coming on.	AinurOlorin	Mar 21, 4:17am
agreed	Maciliel	Mar 21, 3:12am
"tickled as teenagers"	Voronw�_the_Faithful	Mar 21, 3:37am
It was slightly more blue,	AinurOlorin	Mar 21, 4:14am
I know	Voronw�_the_Faithful	Mar 21, 12:54pm
chuckles	AinurOlorin	Mar 22, 5:08pm
It simply quoted your original statement	Voronw�_the_Faithful	Mar 22, 5:22pm
smiling	AinurOlorin	Mar 22, 5:30pm
Gandalf's boss	Cirashala	Mar 21, 5:07am
Agreed about Saruman	Salmacis81	Mar 21, 4:17pm
I'm hoping that the White Council	sauget.diblosio	Mar 21, 4:28pm
Totally agree	Salmacis81	Mar 21, 5:03pm
Agree with much of what you say here, however	AinurOlorin	Mar 22, 4:51pm
lol is it really that bad?	lurtz2010	Mar 21, 6:42am
It was only one chest. And it still smells of Troll	AinurOlorin	Mar 22, 4:53pm
I still think...	Arannir	Mar 21, 7:13am
This	dormouse	Mar 21, 8:46am
And what I would like to add..	Arannir	Mar 21, 9:08am
Agreed...	bborchar	Mar 21, 1:12pm
Elrond's comment	Arannir	Mar 21, 1:51pm
I fear you all are missing the entire concern of the message. I am not under the	AinurOlorin	Mar 22, 4:48pm
I don't think anyone's missing it, AO	dormouse	Mar 22, 5:16pm
Well, doormouse, I suppose we have often enough disagreed about how accurately	AinurOlorin	Mar 22, 5:27pm
A penny for my thought	Elessar	Mar 21, 2:20pm
This...	Rostron2	Mar 21, 6:20pm
This was never stated as such in the film.	sauget.diblosio	Mar 21, 9:17am
I don't see what the fuss is about either.	axecrazy	Mar 21, 9:39am
And he is quite successful...	Arannir	Mar 21, 9:49am
Elrond's comment directly implies Gandalf is answerable to who they are about to meet, and that happens to be Galadriel.	ElendilTheShort	Mar 21, 9:52am
Well...	Arannir	Mar 21, 10:07am
I'd say as others have the audience opinion is clearly divided.	ElendilTheShort	Mar 21, 11:05am
No no...	Arannir	Mar 21, 12:06pm
" I dont believe Thorin Oakenshield	Lusitano	Mar 21, 1:58pm
I disagree	DanielLB	Mar 21, 2:04pm
Even if only Galadriel is meant...	Arannir	Mar 21, 2:07pm
While I think you are right...	Salmacis81	Mar 21, 5:11pm
Galadriel on her little turn table, lol	imin	Mar 21, 5:18pm
Same here	Salmacis81	Mar 21, 6:05pm
I Thought She Was	IdrilofGondolin	Mar 21, 10:28pm
tell me about it,	Elenorflower	Mar 22, 12:21am
Intro to Galadriel	Elessar	Mar 22, 12:41am
Not even a tinsy winsy bit funny? lol //	imin	Mar 22, 12:49am
Not for me anyways lol	Elessar	Mar 22, 12:58am
Fair enough :)	imin	Mar 22, 1:10am
Sounds like it	Elessar	Mar 22, 1:25am
Sacrilege! /	DanielLB	Mar 22, 8:43am
I agree...	Arannir	Mar 22, 8:45am
That she was	Elessar	Mar 22, 11:03am
It did crack me up as well.	Arannir	Mar 22, 12:28pm
That's a good point.	Elessar	Mar 22, 12:56pm
Mislead?	DanielLB	Mar 21, 5:23pm
Well, by "mislead"....	Salmacis81	Mar 21, 6:00pm
EXACTLY this. Everything, exactly.	AinurOlorin	Mar 22, 4:58pm
I agree with Arannir below. But also ...	DanielLB	Mar 21, 9:49am
Perhaps it's just me	FarFromHome	Mar 21, 1:49pm
I think you have nailed it with this explanation	imin	Mar 21, 2:08pm
If it is classic movie misdirection then it is as bad as Thorin's fake grump, grump...ok lets hug at the end.	ElendilTheShort	Mar 21, 11:02pm
This	axecrazy	Mar 21, 3:48pm
Yes and a bit more	Michelle Johnston	Mar 21, 4:01pm
I agree, from what I recall of the scene, it appears to be a	Eruonen	Mar 21, 6:29pm
Perhaps	axecrazy	Mar 21, 7:09pm
Boyens' and Walsh's intentions are very clear	Nightwing	Mar 21, 11:56pm
Candor	JWPlatt	Mar 22, 1:13am
Their actions with respect to the storyline film adaptation	ElendilTheShort	Mar 22, 1:40am
To whom?	axecrazy	Mar 22, 7:02am
Don't you think you are overdoing it a little bit with your Walsh/Boyens Campaign?	Arannir	Mar 22, 7:58am
Unfortunately	Radagast-Aiwendil	Mar 22, 6:55pm
Oh, please do, Radagast, I will happily sign on. Not in disrespect or disregard of	AinurOlorin	Mar 23, 6:22am
They might be of equal power,	sauget.diblosio	Mar 23, 1:38pm
I understand your meaning, but the problem here is that they have directly implied	AinurOlorin	Mar 23, 6:18pm
I was a bit perplexed by the whole dynamic	Elenorflower	Mar 23, 6:29pm
I think this is because	sauget.diblosio	Mar 23, 7:09pm
The dynamics of the White Council	Otaku-sempai	Mar 23, 10:35pm
If i had one complaint about the White Council	sauget.diblosio	Mar 23, 11:55pm
Yes...	Otaku-sempai	Mar 24, 12:02am
I certainly wish we had seen Cirdan and Glorfindel at the least	AinurOlorin	Mar 24, 12:42am
Gandalf actually deffered because he was not willing to be directly	AinurOlorin	Mar 24, 12:44am
Point taken concerning Gandalf...	Otaku-sempai	Mar 24, 12:49am
i just didnt much	Elenorflower	Mar 24, 1:01am
I agree in part. I think they went a tad far in making him seem	AinurOlorin	Mar 24, 2:55am
True indeed.	AinurOlorin	Mar 24, 2:49am
Yeah, i see what you're saying--	sauget.diblosio	Mar 23, 6:39pm

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