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Melkor's dark music and Nienna's healing

telain
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Mar 17 2013, 11:34pm


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Melkor's dark music and Nienna's healing [In reply to] Can't Post

And welcome to the SIl discussion! I meant to respond more quickly to your first post; I hope you won't mind my doing that here.

I really like your take on how Melkor is part of the music:

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He might not want the darkest notes to come to life, but on some level Eru is prepared. Why have these rogue notes at all? I think because in the long life of the First Song ultimately his will and design will come about regardless; and (speculating here) perhaps darker notes bring about the rise of light and heroic notes (ie: would we have Aragorn without Sauron?) I think free will is more valuable to Eru than a "flat" song and a "flat" world.


As someone now more keenly aware of music and the effects it has on us, I can better appreciate these comments. Sometimes it is the dark that inspires the best from the light. I think I almost wrote something to that effect during the discussion of why the noontide days were not more fully chronicled. Sometimes melancholy can be so beautiful -- haven't you heard those mournful, almost painfully beautiful songs about lost love (or things even more tragic?) You're right -- of course Eru isn't planning on evil things happening, but he is prepared for them -- otherwise Nienna wouldn't be such a prominent figure and one so firmly rooted in sympathy, compassion, and all things melancholic. (your earlier post re: choice and Eru is fascinating!)

On that note, I am intrigued further by your connection between Nienna, Melkor and healing. Do you think that Nienna feels it is necessary for Melkor to heal in order for the wounds he inflicted on the world to heal? Is she optimistically hopeful - going with that degree of naivete -- or desperately hopeful? We know from "Of the Maiar" that Olorin (Gandalf) was closely associated with Nienna "...and of her he learned pity and patience." I think we can assume then that she had pity for Melkor and was willing to wait to see if he showed any reform or healing. Though, I wonder if we now know how someone like Melkor might respond to being pitied...

And why is it we sometimes associate "pity" with something negative? Is it is the feeling that one is vulnerable or weak if they are being pitied??

Subject User Time
Silmarilion Discussion, Chapter 6: "...and the Unchaining of Melkor" 2 of 2 telain Send a private message to telain Mar 11 2013, 4:42pm
    Unleashing the beast CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Mar 13 2013, 5:55pm
        how well do we really know Melkor? telain Send a private message to telain Mar 16 2013, 11:02pm
            Melkor Choice and naivete of the Valar Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Mar 17 2013, 1:38am
                Melkor's dark music and Nienna's healing telain Send a private message to telain Mar 17 2013, 11:34pm
                    Pride and pity CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Mar 18 2013, 12:49am
                        I get your thoughts CG! Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Mar 18 2013, 1:19am
                    Some thoughts on Nienna and Olorin and pity Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Mar 18 2013, 1:12am
                        I'm always learning something new here CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Mar 18 2013, 2:04am
                            Clueless? Hardly! Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Mar 18 2013, 3:15am
    My thoughts Finwe Send a private message to Finwe Mar 14 2013, 7:07pm
        how did Aule get in this chapter? Oh, yes... telain Send a private message to telain Mar 16 2013, 11:39pm
            The whole "Knowledge- good or bad?" question elaen32 Send a private message to elaen32 Mar 17 2013, 10:28am
    my thoughts Maciliel Send a private message to Maciliel Mar 16 2013, 12:30am
        Free will Elizabeth Send a private message to Elizabeth Mar 16 2013, 4:40am
            then how does this apply to the gift of men? Maciliel Send a private message to Maciliel Mar 16 2013, 11:09am
                It's not easy for us Mortals to see it as a gift, is it? Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Mar 16 2013, 3:45pm
                    as you've described it.. Maciliel Send a private message to Maciliel Mar 16 2013, 4:06pm
                        Scratching head, flipping though text- Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Mar 16 2013, 4:49pm
                            I think the "gift" is not connected to "free will". Elizabeth Send a private message to Elizabeth Mar 16 2013, 9:40pm
                                Did not intend to imply control Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Mar 16 2013, 10:13pm
        Feanor is a pit of smouldering coals... telain Send a private message to telain Mar 16 2013, 11:52pm
    Hello all, my first post about Sil, but I have been following :) Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Mar 16 2013, 2:01am
    Late answers sador Send a private message to sador Mar 18 2013, 7:35am

 
 
 

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