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Well! It looks as though An Unexpected Journey will oust The Half-Blood Prince for Domestic/ Genre # 7
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AinurOlorin
Half-elven


Mar 12 2013, 12:10am

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Well! It looks as though An Unexpected Journey will oust The Half-Blood Prince for Domestic/ Genre # 7 Can't Post

And will end up right behind Fellowship on said roster, at least for the time being. I wasn't sure it would bypass Potter, but after the theatre expansion and the 370 plus thousand it made this weekend, that seems almost assured. Excellent!

"Hear me, hounds of Sauron, Gandalf is here! Fly if you value your foul skins, I will shrivel you from tail to snout if you step within this circle!"

"Do not be to eager to deal out death in judgement. Even the very wise cannot see all ends."


Estel78
Tol Eressea

Mar 12 2013, 12:16am

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What you mean "right behind FOTR"? [In reply to] Can't Post

There are a few movies between FOTR and AUJ, you know. Wink


AinurOlorin
Half-elven


Mar 12 2013, 12:25am

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Not in this genre. Live action Enchanted Realm etc. [In reply to] Can't Post

On the all time domestic, yes, you are right, but on the list for this genre, only Potter 6 stands between An Unexpected Jou. and Fellowship, and soon that will no longer be.

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There are a few movies between FOTR and AUJ, you know. Wink


"Hear me, hounds of Sauron, Gandalf is here! Fly if you value your foul skins, I will shrivel you from tail to snout if you step within this circle!"

"Do not be to eager to deal out death in judgement. Even the very wise cannot see all ends."


Brethil
Half-elven


Mar 12 2013, 12:39am

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Hooray! It is Excellent News! [In reply to] Can't Post

Thanks for the happy info, Ainur Olorin! I am sad it is no longer playing anywhere near me, as I would gladly continue to contribute to the cause.

To err is human, to Hoom is Entish.


Estel78
Tol Eressea

Mar 12 2013, 12:40am

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Oh, i see. [In reply to] Can't Post

Should have read more carefully. Wink


Eowyn3
Rivendell

Mar 12 2013, 2:21am

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Great news! // [In reply to] Can't Post

 

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Elessar
Valinor


Mar 12 2013, 2:38am

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Awesome! [In reply to] Can't Post

The addition of theaters may help it move to 302-303 million domestic.



sauget.diblosio
Tol Eressea

Mar 12 2013, 2:56am

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I wonder if it'll stick around long enough [In reply to] Can't Post

to pass Skyfall domestically (which is at $304.4 mil.)?


Elessar
Valinor


Mar 12 2013, 3:07am

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I don't know [In reply to] Can't Post

Lots of movies stick around past their release on Blu/DVD so it's possible but not probable.



AinurOlorin
Half-elven


Mar 12 2013, 3:31am

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Do they? I would hope does, but I doubt it. Twilight seems to be gone after its [In reply to] Can't Post

DVD release. Same for Skyfall. I think An Unexpected has about ten to 11 (eleven) remaining days to make any real theatrical money domestically. It will overtake Harry Potter And The Half Blood Prince, and perhaps ease past 302 million, but that will be it. The only other news is that it might potentially be able to draw another 20 million in China before all is said and done, to bypass Alice and Phantom Menace on the worldwide numbers.

"Hear me, hounds of Sauron, Gandalf is here! Fly if you value your foul skins, I will shrivel you from tail to snout if you step within this circle!"

"Do not be to eager to deal out death in judgement. Even the very wise cannot see all ends."


totoro
Lorien

Mar 12 2013, 3:33am

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Alice looks pretty far away to me... [In reply to] Can't Post


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DVD release. Same for Skyfall. I think An Unexpected has about ten to 11 (eleven) remaining days to make any real theatrical money domestically. It will overtake Harry Potter And The Half Blood Prince, and perhaps ease past 302 million, but that will be it. The only other news is that it might potentially be able to draw another 20 million in China before all is said and done, to bypass Alice and Phantom Menace on the worldwide numbers.

... not that I am an expert prognosticator.


Estel78
Tol Eressea

Mar 12 2013, 8:53am

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It does [In reply to] Can't Post

If some people from China are to be believed, it's not making more than another $5m there. Personally, i find that a little on the conservative side, i'd up that slightly but i think less than $10m for sure.


stoutfiles
Rohan


Mar 12 2013, 12:01pm

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Adjusted for inflation? [In reply to] Can't Post

Comparing The Hobbit's financial numbers to other films from the past isn't a very fair comparison. The Hobbit could catch Half-Blood, but it will not be catching FOTR.

http://boxofficemojo.com/alltime/adjusted.htm


Arannir
Valinor

Mar 12 2013, 12:45pm

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This list, however,... [In reply to] Can't Post

... does not include any information on the general circumstances and environment a film is realeased into (audience numbers, 3D, re-releases, economic situation, competetition...), so it has its own issues of comparability. I guess the only thing one can really do is measure a movie's financial success with what is probably the expected BO number of the producers (which also bears its own issues, as we have discussed on here down to the last detail as some might remember Wink).

But I guess a conclusion for AUJ can be that its final number will probably lie somewhere in the "zone" of a potential final number that was predicted by the producers and the studio. Depending on which prediciton's one followed or believed prior to release, it is a debate whether it is closer to the minimum level of that predicted "zone" or further up.

It also shows that the franchise seems to have the base to be a sure win and hit, but that this base is not enough to develop into a real BO phenomenon (such as Avengers). I guess many people simply assumed the Hobbit movies would almost automatically hit that kind of phenomenon-cycle, maybe forgetting how rare (and unpredictable) these cycles are. Just looking into the prediction threads for the BO 2012 - almost nobody was able to even closely predict the relatively extreme numbers of Avengers and Skyfall (in relative comparison to the Bond franchise).


Elessar
Valinor


Mar 12 2013, 12:49pm

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It varies [In reply to] Can't Post

Some stay a while longer after and some not. Its not typically very long after it comes out. A lot will depend on these second run theaters and how long they keep the films in them. That's where it usually stays out past the release as most major chains will drop them the weekend after. I'd say as a whole your estimate of 10-11 days left is probably spot on and if it can avg 40-41k a day it could come up just short of 303 million (could make it if it averages higher).



Glorfindela
Valinor

Mar 12 2013, 6:38pm

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Box office success [In reply to] Can't Post

I wasn't one of those people, since I didn't think much about the Hobbit before I saw it and automatically assumed it wouldn't be much good. I was very surprised at how brilliant it is. I think it is certainly a box-office success.

With regard to Avengers and Skyfall, they really were a surprise. I don't think Skyfall is that much different from the preceding Craig Bonds, and Avengers – well, (for me) it is just an enjoyable average film that you can instantly forget. I am surprised at the box-office figures of both these films, and am not too sure what to put it down to. This applies to Skyfall in particular – I can understand why many Americans like the Avengers, since the comic-book genre is part of their culture, and the film contained several well-known comic-book figures.


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. I guess many people simply assumed the Hobbit movies would almost automatically hit that kind of phenomenon-cycle, maybe forgetting how rare (and unpredictable) these cycles are. Just looking into the prediction threads for the BO 2012 - almost nobody was able to even closely predict the relatively extreme numbers of Avengers and Skyfall (in relative comparison to the Bond franchise).



Ham_Sammy
Tol Eressea

Mar 12 2013, 9:14pm

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Avengers [In reply to] Can't Post

I enjoyed Avengers more than I thought I would. I did not read comics as a kid. My husband did and thoroughly enjoys them (he on the other hand was not really a reader of either The Hobbit or Lord of the Rings. He tried and failed to finish them). I thought Avengers was well done. Downey Jr. was obviously given the heavy lifting for carrying the movie, especially the action sequences, largely I think because he was the best actor of the bunch. I thought the FX were great and the last hour of the film was more than entertaining. I enjoyed it, even though Im not a fan of the genre. I was entertained and enjoyed myself so for me the film was a success. I enjoy Downy Jr. in that roll too. Right amount of comedy for that role and he's a terrific actor.

Skyfall was just "meh" for me but I also confess to not being a major fan of any of the Bond series, even going back to Connery. Sometimes they are okay, and some of the Roger Moore ones in the 80's were entertaining enough but for some reason the stories don't interest me that much. Not that I haven't tried. I usually do try to go see them and they are hugely popular so there's got to be something there that people like. I'm cool with that.

Now the Hobbit for me? I liked it better by far than those other two but again, just my own experience and most likely as a huge fan of Tolkien and his books that's probably why.
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Thank you for your questions, now go sod off and do something useful - Martin Freeman Twitter chat 3/1/13


Metal Slug
Rivendell

Mar 12 2013, 10:00pm

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Yup, inflation's a killer [In reply to] Can't Post

Just compare the films versus gold. Gold is money, FRN's are a currency.

Still, the Hobbit did pretty good financially. I only hope he sticks closer to the book on the next two. No more videogame battles, pitfalls, or Jar-jars.


Glorfindela
Valinor

Mar 12 2013, 11:17pm

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Yes, the same for me [In reply to] Can't Post

Really, I enjoyed everything about the Hobbit, though I enjoyed some bits more than others. I went to see it again today, and I seem to like the film more with each viewing. I think PJ has done a wonderful adaptation of the book – love the acting and characterisation, as well as the visuals and music. I can enjoy the books and films separately, without expecting the films to be like the books (the Hobbit book as it stands would have made a very poor film, unless it was a cartoon made specifically for children, which I wouldn't have enjoyed at all).

It's going to be a long wait for the second film. Of the new characters, I'm particularly looking forward to seeing Beorn and Smaug, and I'm very curious about how the Necromancer plotline will be treated – Benedict Cumberbatch is another wonderful actor…


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Now the Hobbit for me? I liked it better by far than those other two but again, just my own experience and most likely as a huge fan of Tolkien and his books that's probably why.
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(This post was edited by Glorfindela on Mar 12 2013, 11:18pm)


Ham_Sammy
Tol Eressea

Mar 12 2013, 11:44pm

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Ben [In reply to] Can't Post

Ben is going to be great as the voice of Smaug. He has that great cave voice. Gonna be super. And played off against Freeman's Bilbo..well..what can we say. Like I said in that other thread, I will be imagining Ben saying to Bilbo as he flames him running up the tunnel "That's what dragons do don't they? Leave a note" ... LOL.

I just cannot wait for that scene. It is truly going to be terrific.

There's a GIF somewhere out there on Tumblr where someone insterted Ben's head on the dragon that gets set off from the fireworks by Pippin in Mary in FOTR and as it comes swooping down you see Ben's head and then Martin's in the place of Ian's running from him. It's hilarious.

I also can't wait to see Beorn. I am curious if we will see morphing or not and how they will handle that. I know we got a tease seeing the bear in the one screenshot early on. I can't wait to see Beorn's house and all the details. RA said the details were just great and I have no doubt they are too.

Thank you for your questions, now go sod off and do something useful - Martin Freeman Twitter chat 3/1/13


Ardamírë
Valinor


Mar 12 2013, 11:50pm

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Smaug's voice [In reply to] Can't Post

I'm absolutely looking forward to Benedict's voice acting. I heard him in the voice-over in the first trailer for the new Star Trek and he was perfect! Absolutely the perfect blend of everything that I wanted to hear in Smaug. Can't wait for December!

"Now this babe was of greatest beauty; his skin of a shining white and his eyes of a blue surpassing that of the sky in southern lands - bluer than the sapphires of the raiment of Manwë; and the envy of Meglin was deep at his birth, but the joy of Turgon and all the people very great indeed." -The Fall of Gondolin


Arannir
Valinor

Mar 13 2013, 8:21am

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Actually... [In reply to] Can't Post

... that trailer (of Star Trek)had a similar structure to what I hoped a first trailer for DoS would have. I guess a voice-over by Smaug is not possible now anymore... but maybe one short sentence. Not giving too much away (especially his looks)... but a little teaser.

(Btw: nice new picture of maybe the most poetic and artistic scene of the trilogy Wink)


(This post was edited by Arannir on Mar 13 2013, 8:22am)


macfalk
Valinor


Mar 13 2013, 11:54am

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Skyfall's billion-dollar gross has surprised me, too. [In reply to] Can't Post

I just don't see how it happened. Quantum of Solace, which most people thought was pretty mediocre, came just before Skyfall and that one did fine, but Skyfall's numbers are huge. I just don't see where the enormous appeal came from all of a sudden, it's not that different from either Quantum or Casino Royale. I have no explanation. And looking at IMDB's user ratings, Skyfall is actually rated lower than Casino Royale, meaning that (for many, maybe most) Skyfall isn't even Craig's best Bond film.



The greatest adventure is what lies ahead.


macfalk
Valinor


Mar 13 2013, 11:56am

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Btw, The Hobbit just passed 1 billion and 10 million [In reply to] Can't Post

And will soon enough (probably on wednesday or thursday) pass 302 million domestic.



The greatest adventure is what lies ahead.


imin
Valinor


Mar 13 2013, 4:33pm

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I don't get it either [In reply to] Can't Post

I think it is his best out of the three, though i also love Casino Royale. QoS was terrible.

I think this one just hit a nerve with people especially in the UK where it is the highest grossing film of all time making more than Avatar, Titanic, Avengers etc.

I think it came from word of mouth - people went and said 'omg this is awesome, best Bond in years/best film all year'. I know you don't agree but in some places they must feel like that - the UK being the most likely where it also won some awards. I then think this hype followed it around the world also it was set in the UK for a large amount of time which was certainly appealing to me not sure about others - i have no idea how it made that much though and without 3D ticket prices!

It will be interesting to see how the next Bond film does. I don't think it will come close to this one but then i didn't think this one would get anywhere close to $1 billion worldwide so what do i know, lol.

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