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The One Ring Forums: Off Topic: The Pollantir:
Who busts Gollum out of prison in Mirkwood, and why?
Poll: Who busts Gollum out of prison in Mirkwood, and why?
Sauron - free Gollum to carry on a mission
Sauron - keep The Wise from learning what Gollum knows
Saruman - Sauron & Gandalf have both interrogated the wretched creature: Saruman is feeling left out!
Another power (not Sauron or Saruman) - researching the Ring
Not a rescue at all - a raiding party of orcs on an unrelated mission gives Gollum a chance to escape
View Results (40 votes)
 

noWizardme
Grey Havens


Mar 3 2013, 6:40pm

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Who busts Gollum out of prison in Mirkwood, and why? Can't Post

Over in the Reading Room, we've had a discussion about who helps Gollum escape from the elves (as Legolas relates in the Council of Elrond chapter of LOTR) http://newboards.theonering.net/...i?post=578091#578091

We've come up with several theories, I thought it would be fun to see which his the most popular


macfalk
Valinor


Mar 3 2013, 6:42pm

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Gollum went all-in with his charm towards Tauriel. It succeeded. // [In reply to] Can't Post

 


Aragalen the Green
Gondor


Mar 3 2013, 7:25pm

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Sauron needed Gollum free [In reply to] Can't Post

to lead him to the Ring. If Sauron hadn't wanted the Wise to know what Gollum knew, Gollum would never had left Barad-dur. So in a way Gollum was on a mission, but perhaps unaware--he seemed to believe he had "escaped" Mordor. That's my theory, anyway Smile


noWizardme
Grey Havens


Mar 3 2013, 9:15pm

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Gollum's mission [In reply to] Can't Post

Thats what i used to think, and still partly think. But If Sauron is trying to use Gollum, it doesn't seem to work all that well for him; Gollum seems to get away from anything sent to tail him, and be able to operate independently.


elevorn
Lorien


Mar 4 2013, 7:39pm

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Orlando Bloom/Will Turner [In reply to] Can't Post

He was practicing his leverage technique for the first pirates movie(wait that doesn't work Gollum was in a tree silly). Seriously though, it had to be just a nice chance for Gollum. Possibly he saw a scouting orc and was able to find out when the attack was coming and make a break for it whilst they attacked. perhaps he aided a time for the attack. No one really important wanted him out. it just worked out.


BoromirOfWinterfell
Rohan


Mar 5 2013, 12:08pm

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I like the idea of "another power" [In reply to] Can't Post

It's very ominous and foreboding. Although, I've always assumed the most popular theory - Sauron keeping the wise from knowing what Gollum knows.


noWizardme
Grey Havens


Mar 5 2013, 1:04pm

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Maybe it woz the Balrog Wot Dunnit...? [In reply to] Can't Post

But probably not- there are hints that freelance evil things might go for the Ring, attracted by some kind of evil force it has (or just what possessing it would mean). But to want to catch Gollum you need to be politicking away- playing what we might call The Game Of Rings. Not sure who else is "a payer not a piece" in that game...


CuriousG
Valinor


Mar 6 2013, 12:04am

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It's the Blue Wizards! lol// [In reply to] Can't Post

 


Aragalen the Green
Gondor


Mar 6 2013, 12:44am

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Very true... [In reply to] Can't Post


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But If Sauron is trying to use Gollum, it doesn't seem to work all that well for him; Gollum seems to get away from anything sent to tail him, and be able to operate independently.

But if so, why didn't Sauron just kill Gollum after torturing him? If Gollum did escape on his own, Sauron and his servants were really slacking on the job. And if he did let Gollum go deliberately, why change his mind later?

I guess I tend to go along Aragorn's opinion at the Council of Elrond: "And I do not doubt that he was allowed to leave Mordor on some evil errand" The Fellowship of the Ring, The Council of Elrond.


noWizardme
Grey Havens


Mar 6 2013, 7:18am

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"Blue Wizards" - a band, surely ?// [In reply to] Can't Post

 


noWizardme
Grey Havens


Mar 6 2013, 7:30am

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Spy games and infinite mirrors... [In reply to] Can't Post

Just thought of a reason Sauron might want Gollum back- to find out what kind of questions Gandalf asked, and so to try & figure out how much the other side knows.

Otherwise, yes you think he'd have him killed. Unless there is a scheme that Gollum will find the ring while Sauron's agents follow him: but as I say that seems rather to backfire


BoromirOfWinterfell
Rohan


Mar 6 2013, 12:34pm

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Which would explain... [In reply to] Can't Post


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Maybe it woz the Balrog Wot Dunnit...?


That balrogs have wings. A balrog could fly quickly to Mirkwood.
I get a *facepalm* for that one...


imin
Valinor


Mar 6 2013, 2:09pm

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Lol, here you go [In reply to] Can't Post

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BNsrK6P9QvI Tongue


BoromirOfWinterfell
Rohan


Mar 6 2013, 3:52pm

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You get double points for making it a Star Trek facepalm... [In reply to] Can't Post

 


sam90
Lorien

Mar 11 2013, 11:50pm

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Gollum's escape [In reply to] Can't Post

I like the ideas of the fanfilm: The Hunt for Gollum. The concept is that the Elves pitied Gollum and did want to help him to get some kind of redemption as Gandalf hoped as well. They may have brought him out of his dark cell outside in the wood to get some fresh air and flexing his muscles but then the guards were attacked by a party of Orcs raiders and Gollum escaped with them.

It is a simple theory which rely more or less on chance (a party of Orc happened to be there in the wood on purpose or not in the same time as Gollum was outside) but still is in my opinion a likely event.


(This post was edited by sam90 on Mar 11 2013, 11:54pm)


noWizardme
Grey Havens


Mar 11 2014, 11:05am

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Um - it turns out that this comes up in Unfinished Tales [In reply to] Can't Post

In Unfinished Tales, Tolkien says it was Sauron - I don't think I knew that when I started this poll, sorry about the lack of research on my part!
A discussion of that Tale The Hunt for the Ring has just started in the Reading Room, & looks to be fun, please come join us!
http://newboards.theonering.net/...i?post=722225#722225

 
 

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