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Narsil scene already on the soundtrack?

Lieutenant of Dol Guldur

Mar 5 2013, 5:16pm

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I just listened to the "The White Council (Extended Edition)" track and I noticed something. This track is little bit longer than the usual edition (~2:23). The shorter version begins at about 2:23. Moments before the first feature of the Galadriel-theme and the White Council meeting. The extended version begins earlier. And now begins the interesting part:

There is again the Rivendell-theme in different variations (with and without choir) and one of the Bilbo themes as well. If you look at the movie there was no scene with Bilbo in Rivendell except the arrival (on track "The Hidden Valley"), the Moon Rune scene (on track "Moon Runes"), the dinner (just an elven harp and not on the soundtrack) and the departure (on track "Over Hill"). Could this be the extended scene with Bilbo, Elrond and Narsil?

Let's have a closer look at the first 2:23 minutes of "The White Council (Extended Edtion)":

0:00 - 0:32
Different soft versions of the Rivendell-theme. With and without choir. Not so powerful like in the arrival scene (track "The Hidden Valley")
Possible scene: Bilbo discovers Rivendell and climbs the stairs up to the statue with Narsil

0:32 - 0:48
A sinister undertone starts. Very soft but also very noticeable the new variation of one of the Mordor-themes (also called "Necromancer theme" in the booklet)
Possible scene: Bilbo looks at Narsil and then turns around and notices the painting with Isildur and Sauron. Elrond appears and says to Bilbo
(who first doesn't notice him) something like: "Dark times... but long ago".

0:48 - 1:30
Again the Rivendell-theme. A bit stronger than in the beginning
Possible scene: Elrond changes the topic and tells Bilbo something about Rivendell and it's origins

1:30 - 2:23
One of Bilbos several themes starts (the same like in e.g. "A Very Respectable Hobbit"). Also very soft and more like a background. Would be perfect for a dialogue scene if you ask me.
Possible scene: Bilbo tells Elrond that he still isn't sure if he really should go on this journey. Elrond tries to encourage him (like Galadriel does with Frodo in LOTR) and also lets him know that he will always be welcome in Rivendell

2:23 - 9:40
The same "The White Council" track as on the standard edition.

Listen to it again and let's think about it together! What would you say? Is it just me and it's part of a different scene from the movie? Or was it cut like lot's of other great new moments of Howard Shores work? Or am I right?

"There is only one Lord of the Ring, only one who can bend it to his will. And he does not share power."

(This post was edited by Lieutenant of Dol Guldur on Mar 5 2013, 5:21pm)

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Narsil scene already on the soundtrack? Lieutenant of Dol Guldur Send a private message to Lieutenant of Dol Guldur Mar 5 2013, 5:16pm
    It has to be that scene. Mooseboy018 Send a private message to Mooseboy018 Mar 5 2013, 5:38pm
        I will have to listen to it again.. Kimtc Send a private message to Kimtc Mar 5 2013, 5:48pm
    Sounds good to me (pun not intended) elaen32 Send a private message to elaen32 Mar 5 2013, 5:49pm
    I think you're on to something. DanielLB Send a private message to DanielLB Mar 5 2013, 5:50pm
        But Elrond needs time to change clothes ;-) Lieutenant of Dol Guldur Send a private message to Lieutenant of Dol Guldur Mar 5 2013, 6:27pm
            I think you've got it Ardamírë Send a private message to Ardamírë Mar 5 2013, 7:25pm
                Wow after 16 views still had to think Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Mar 5 2013, 8:05pm
                    That makes sense Ardamírë Send a private message to Ardamírë Mar 5 2013, 8:17pm
    I just looked at my Eight Ball Rostron2 Send a private message to Rostron2 Mar 5 2013, 7:30pm
    Great idea! Roheryn Send a private message to Roheryn Mar 6 2013, 9:52am
        Thank you! I think I noticed Thranduils theme too Lieutenant of Dol Guldur Send a private message to Lieutenant of Dol Guldur Mar 6 2013, 11:13am
    Looking forward to this scene so much. Aragorn the Elfstone Send a private message to Aragorn the Elfstone Apr 23 2013, 6:18am


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