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No title self-referentiality


Mar 4 2013, 7:26pm

Post #1 of 10 (541 views)
No title self-referentiality Can't Post

This is a bit of a petty observation, but I thought I'd point it out because it is fairly interesting (to me at least).

In many movies, including all of the LotR, a character will reference the title of the movie at some point in the story.

"...there is only one LORD OF THE RINGS only one who can bend it to his will"

"...so be it, you shall be THE FELLOWSHIP OF THE RING"

"... to stand against the might of Sauron and Saruman, in the union of THE TWO TOWERS"

"...authority is not given to you to deny THE RETURN OF THE KING"

I just found it interesting that Thorin says "so this is THE HOBBIT" but no-one at any point says "AN UNEXPECTED JOURNEY" or did I miss it?

Maybe in the EEs? Where do you think it could fit in?

(This post was edited by QuackingTroll on Mar 4 2013, 7:27pm)


Mar 4 2013, 7:48pm

Post #2 of 10 (329 views)
I think Radagast could say the title [In reply to] Can't Post

when explaining what happened with DG and the sword to Gandalf.


Mar 4 2013, 7:56pm

Post #3 of 10 (324 views)
I think [In reply to] Can't Post

this would feel a bit forced, especially considering it isn't referring to what the unexpected journey is (Bilb's journey).

But I feel like I heard it in the film somewhere...maybe I'm wrong. I know Bilbo said something about 'unexpected' right as the title comes up.


Mar 4 2013, 8:01pm

Post #4 of 10 (300 views)
Ah, that's true... [In reply to] Can't Post

He may not say the title, but he does say "nothing unexpected ever happened" right as it appears, which is pretty darned close. It's a difficult title to say without it feeling forced


Mar 4 2013, 8:03pm

Post #5 of 10 (279 views)
Definitely the hardest without being forced. [In reply to] Can't Post

TABA is already said in FOTR, and TDOS will be easy for one of the Company to say.


Mar 4 2013, 8:05pm

Post #6 of 10 (296 views)
Here's my attempt: [In reply to] Can't Post

"I don't have my handkerchief! I couldn't be expected to remember everything! This is rather AN UNEXPECTED JOURNEY after all!"

Difficult but not impossible Cool


Mar 4 2013, 8:20pm

Post #7 of 10 (285 views)
I like that [In reply to] Can't Post

i could totally see it


Mar 4 2013, 8:28pm

Post #8 of 10 (268 views)
I see how the key characters were the ones to say the title there [In reply to] Can't Post

although I am not sure that my idea was so much more forced than TTT version. I agree that it is hard to not sound a little bit forced compared to some other titles.

In that case it does seem right for Bilbo to say it. Maybe old Bilbo could say it the most naturally since he would be reminiscing and calling something unexpected implies a moment of reflection on the past being taken ... or commentary being given about something to someone else.


Mar 4 2013, 8:41pm

Post #9 of 10 (270 views)
They managed other chapter titles... [In reply to] Can't Post

...like Roast Mutton and Out of the Frying Pan and Into the Fire, so I give them props for that.

And 'The Desolation of Smaug' appeared on the map already, though no one's said it out loud yet.


Mar 5 2013, 4:07pm

Post #10 of 10 (155 views)
Well... [In reply to] Can't Post

Bilbo says " unexpected", gandalf says "an" (an adventure) and "journey" (before we reach our journey´s end")


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