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Old Toby
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Mar 4 2013, 7:45am
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Well I sure wouldn't blame PJ & writers for their depiction of Thranduil
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They simply put him there at Erebor. How we take him is totally up to the viewer. In the book he was, in my opinion, just as much of a jerk as he was in this film. So no love lost there as far as I'm concerned. And I think we can have one opinion of a character as he is in a movie and another of him as he is in a book, since the two different mediums should be able to stand on their own feet and be seen for themselves and the story they are telling. Even though they may tie together in many respects, they don't have to be mirror images of each other, nor could they be. I don't see this Thranduil thread as trying to justify anything. Just a bit of fun speculation.
"Age is always advancing and I'm fairly sure it's up to no good." Harry Dresden (Jim Butcher)
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Old Toby
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Mar 4 2013, 8:04am
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Okay that's it! We need to get up a petition!
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We want a dwarves' bathing scene...anywhere, anytime in any of the films!! Heh heh. Maybe they could stick it into the extended edition! And I personally want a lot of screen time given to Thorin washing...whatever he wants to wash. I'm sure his hair would look just as fabulous wet as it does in whatever state it's currently in. Okay. I'm going to go take a cold shower now. 
"Age is always advancing and I'm fairly sure it's up to no good." Harry Dresden (Jim Butcher)
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Roheryn
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Mar 4 2013, 9:16am
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Ooof! Nice landing! 
Thanks for the nice words, Galen, and glad to have you join the party. We seem to be gathering quite a posse of dwarf fanciers!
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Roheryn
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Mar 4 2013, 9:44am
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You do me far more honor than I deserve. I'm far, far better at instigating than queening! Besides, it takes a whole heap of dwarf fanciers to come up with all this delightful silliness together -- it's a group effort!
(If Thorin strikes a smouldering Epic Backstory Pose in the woods and no one notices, is he still hot? Just wondering.)
*carefully sets tiara on head* Eeks, this thing is heavy! Howzabout I wear it for a day, and then I think we should pass it around to whichever card-carrying member of FABBED has the worst case of Thorniness at the time?
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elaen32
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Mar 4 2013, 11:34am
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I think we need to be a little careful what we wish for!!
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If you read the thread over on Main about the Naughty Dwarf Calendar (!) the things the boys mention about posing in their fat suits etc is slightly off- putting!! On the other hand, a Thorin "wet shirt" moment- (like Colin Firth as Mr Darcy in the BBC Pride & Prejudice).....Mmmmm!!.....
"Beneath the roof of sleeping leaves the dreams of trees unfold"
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Brethil
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Mar 4 2013, 1:35pm
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I forgot about that scene. Have only watched it 4,634 times  I love that adapatation.
Nice idea!!!!
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Brethil
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Mar 4 2013, 1:45pm
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You may be in line for the crown today Old Toby!
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If you need a cold shower I think you are FABBED crown material...
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Riven Delve
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Mar 4 2013, 2:07pm
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Old Bilbo's narration (spoilers)
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What we know of Thranduil's motives comes from Bilbo's narration. When Thorin yells, "Help us!" it seems to me he's asking for help for his wounded people. After all, he has just found out firsthand that an army isn't much good against a dragon, much less an entrenched one guarding his hoard.
We see Thranduil turn away, but Bilbo's narration puts a little better light on it: "He would not risk the lives of his kin against the wrath of the dragon." No mention of not helping the wounded and destitute...
So I think maybe we should consider another thing: Bilbo chooses to stand with the Elvenking during the Bot5A and seems strangely in awe of him (which I think is odd since he spent all that time helping the dwarves escape him initially). Does that bias his narration?
"I left the night, with its remote and singing stars, and came in, to the glow of the fire, and the chair where he had been sitting, and the unstrung harp." --The Last Enchantment
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Roheryn
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Mar 4 2013, 2:49pm
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I suspect you could get your wish:
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surely Thorin'll end up wet and bedraggled by the end of Barrels out of Bond? Not only will we get the wet shirt, but the wet hair too!
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Roheryn
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Mar 4 2013, 2:54pm
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All of whom clearly have a better sense of direction than Legolas.
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Or Thorin, for that matter.
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Otaku-sempai
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Mar 4 2013, 4:00pm
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Even if Thranduil had learned of Smaug before the dragon reached Erebor...
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What would have been the Elvenking's most likely reaction. He could not be sure that the Dwarves were Smaug's main target; he could just as easily be after the Wood-elves' palace. As a lair, the one would probably be just as secure as the other. Rather than rushing an army to the Mountain, Thranduil would more likely just hunker down in Mirkwood and wait to see what the dragon would do. He would not put an army in the field, days away from Mirkwood, if there is a chance that he is leaving his own people vulnerable. Certainly not for the sake of Dwarves.
'There are older and fouler things than Orcs in the deep places of the world.' - Gandalf the Grey, The Fellowship of the Ring
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Riven Delve
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Mar 4 2013, 4:24pm
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there are a couple shots of Thorin looking all wet and bedraggled in a barrel. If you haven't seen them, I just want to assure you all that he still looks (wait for it) majestic. 
I can't remember which number vlog it is, though. Does anyone else? (And are we allowed to post links to those?)
"I left the night, with its remote and singing stars, and came in, to the glow of the fire, and the chair where he had been sitting, and the unstrung harp." --The Last Enchantment
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DanielLB
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Mar 4 2013, 4:33pm
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Yup, it's fine to link to vlog screencaps :-)
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TORn user DarkJackal has the best collection of screencaps. I think you were referring to vlog 8?
A wet Thorin
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elaen32
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Mar 4 2013, 4:41pm
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Can't cope ! have had to lie down. But at least your link gave due warning and does what it says on the tin Daniel!
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DanielLB
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Mar 4 2013, 6:26pm
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*Throws a bucket of cold water over elaen32*
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Save it for the actual film! You'll have to be carried out of the theatre!
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Eleniel
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Mar 4 2013, 6:41pm
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Bilbo always felt guilty about his free board...
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in the Elvenking's Halls, and even gave Thranduil the silver and pearl necklace in recompense.
So I think maybe we should consider another thing: Bilbo chooses to stand with the Elvenking during the Bot5A and seems strangely in awe of him (which I think is odd since he spent all that time helping the dwarves escape him initially). Does that bias his narration?
"Choosing Trust over Doubt gets me burned once in a while, but I'd rather be singed than hardened."
¯ Victoria Monfort
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Old Toby
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Mar 4 2013, 7:03pm
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gawwwddd!!! **OT falls over in a dead faint**
"Age is always advancing and I'm fairly sure it's up to no good." Harry Dresden (Jim Butcher)
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elaen32
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Mar 4 2013, 7:49pm
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Just when I thought it was safe to come back...
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having calmed down, and apparently had a bucket of water thrown on me (cheers Daniel LB - am nice and serene now). No, I will behave myself, I will behave myself..... Actually, this looks like it would be a fun theme park ride- I'm sure there must be one like this in NZ- they seem to have a lot of interesting "experiences" like riding in rubber tyres in underground rivers for miles, jumping off kilometre high bridges (exaggerration) into rivers, so a barrel ride would be fairly tame. What say you Kiwi TORNsibs?
"Beneath the roof of sleeping leaves the dreams of trees unfold"
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Rostron2
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Mar 4 2013, 8:03pm
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Firstly, this is really bugging me now. Can anyone please explain just why Thranduil conveniently happened to be in the vicinity of Erebor with a massive army just in the aftermath of Smaug's attack? Seriously, did he have impending-dragon-attack-radar and figured he'd get in on the action a bit? Or were they out for joint manoeuvers with the men of Esgaroth? Or just out to see how cool they looked marching in formation? Or did Smaug's attack last so long (or were there so many dwarves in Erebor) that Thranduil was able to marshall his troops and march all the way to Erebor before all the dwarves finished running out of Erebor? Why was he there with his army?
No idea. It seems strange that they were there at all. On the map, it's a long way to Erebor from the Elvenking's Halls. It appeared that Smaug took care of the dwarves in one day, so unless Thranduil's 'army' was just himself and an honor guard on their way for a visit, it seems incongruous.
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imin
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Mar 4 2013, 11:37pm
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how thranduil payed homage to thorin, thrain and thror in the prologue. It just seemed out of place perhaps?
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Brethil
Gondolin
Mar 4 2013, 11:59pm
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I think its because of the gems
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Thranduil likes his white jewels, and as long as the Dwarves can keep supplying he will pay homage.
(PS Imin - I have the info but will post that Saturn themed thread closer to the awards)
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imin
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Mar 5 2013, 12:20am
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Hadn't thought of it like that
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That's a fair enough explanation for me :)
Oh and coolio for the Saturn themed thread :)
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Brethil
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Mar 5 2013, 3:41am
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Am looking forward to how Thranduil is presented in DOS. Hoping for some hints from Vblogs - its been an awfully long time since the last one.
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