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Ro's been thinking yet again (beginner's luck, I know)

Roheryn
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Mar 3 2013, 9:20am


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Went to viewing #16 today (with a TORnsib posse! Yay! Fun!). The last theatre in our city to be showing AUJ is still showing it -- only on the weekend -- on their best and biggest screen, with their best sound system in the biggest room, in 3D HFR. And you know what? It's paying off. The room was around half full -- probably 200 people there. I've got my fingers crossed they'll keep it around for another week or two still, at least for these weekend showings. I'm so pleased there's still this many people wanting to see it. And at least some are clearly repeat offenders; the guy sitting next to me kept giggling at all the right moments.

So, you'd think after *16* viewings I would have seen everything already. Just call me Ro-the-unobservant-and-slow-to-cotton-on, I guess, because I've spotted a few new things and had some thoughts on others (yeah, I know, I know; there goes me thinking again).

Firstly, this is really bugging me now. Can anyone please explain just why Thranduil conveniently happened to be in the vicinity of Erebor with a massive army just in the aftermath of Smaug's attack? Seriously, did he have impending-dragon-attack-radar and figured he'd get in on the action a bit? Or were they out for joint manoeuvers with the men of Esgaroth? Or just out to see how cool they looked marching in formation? Or did Smaug's attack last so long (or were there so many dwarves in Erebor) that Thranduil was able to marshall his troops and march all the way to Erebor before all the dwarves finished running out of Erebor? Why was he there with his army?

On to observations. Just after Radagast careens into the company in his bunny sled just outside the troll cave: Radagast is speaking to Gandalf while we see a quick medium shot that shows part of the company. Fili and -- drat, I think it was Bilbo -- are almost face-to-face with one of the bunnies, who is sitting up tall (and nearly half their height) and apparently staring them down. It was such a quick glimpse that I didn't see if the other bunnies are there too. Need that pause button!

While Gandalf and Radagast talk there by the troll cave, the rest of the Company is spread about in the background. Bifur stands alone like a sentinel (which is, I suppose, exactly what he's being right then). Balin is with Fili and Kili (a bit of grandfatherly time, maybe? I bet we're going to see more of Balin's relationship with the princes in the next two movies). Dwalin is with Thorin, of course. Bombur and Ori are together (they're sort of the odd ones out in the company, aren't they?). I love how even when they are definitely not the focus of the scene, the dwarves in the background are still giving us insights into their characters.

Has anyone else spotted the two hobbits fishing in the pond in Hobbiton, when we see it from above as Bilbo is running wildly to join the Adventure?

I managed to listen more for the music this time. Dagnabbit, I still couldn't tell you a thing about the music from the moment we first see Thorin until he's seated at the table talking about Erebor and we hear the Erebor theme. I went in determined to pay attention to the music during Thorin's entrance, but then...well, I was paying lots of attention during that scene but not to music. (Someone please tell me there is actually no music then, and I'll feel better.) However, I did notice that the theme that plays in the prologue when Thorin shakes his fist at the mountains (7:22-7:45 in My Dear Frodo) is also played at the end when Bilbo is facing off with the wargs, defending Thorin's body (not in the soundtrack, as far as I can tell). A theme of frustration and anger against insurmountable odds? Or something else? I also heard the Isengard theme, briefly and subtly, when we first see Saruman -- I know this was discussed here recently but I hadn't noticed it yet (it's at 4:38 in The White Council extended version). I loved that musical reference.

I saw the look between Bombur and Bofur when they're being held captive before the Goblin King (they look at each other just after he asks what they're doing in those parts). Think I'd missed that look before because, naturally, I couldn't take my eyes off Thorin. (Seriously, for those of us deep in the throes of Thorin-sickness, how much of the movie have we missed because we couldn't take our eyes off Thorin?)

Kili is sitting on sky-blue clothing of some sort when he's lounging in his long-johns near the furniture-campfire in Rivendell. Is this a reference to his hood color (which is just blue, not sky-blue) in the book? Also, the book says that both Fili and Kili carry a bag of tools and a spade. Fili in the movie is carrying a large shovel (charitably, you might could call it a spade) between the Trollshaws and Goblin-town. Just what do dwarves on an Adventure get up to that makes a shovel requisite baggage?

And speaking of the furniture-campfire scene, I have to laugh at Nori when he stands up to sniff the hanging laundry and starts complaining about something (the laundry, presumably) being smelly. Maybe they forgot the soap.

Finally: Thorin, you majestic dwarf. After this many viewings, you still steal the screen every moment you're on it. Your entrance is the best IFTSMMOP* moment of the movie. Love you. Keep it up.

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[*IFTSMMOP = I Forgot To Swallow My Mouthful Of Popcorn}

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Ro's been thinking yet again (beginner's luck, I know) Roheryn Send a private message to Roheryn Mar 3 2013, 9:20am
    I only wish I'd seen it that many times! Silverlode Send a private message to Silverlode Mar 3 2013, 9:48am
        Ah, a euphithingy. ;-) Roheryn Send a private message to Roheryn Mar 3 2013, 10:17am
            seconding Brethil's motion below..... :) Galentaliel Send a private message to Galentaliel Mar 4 2013, 2:10am
                Welcome Galentaliel! Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Mar 4 2013, 3:18am
                Incoming! *SPLAATTTT* Roheryn Send a private message to Roheryn Mar 4 2013, 9:16am
                    ;) woohoo!! yep, figured it was 'bout time I jump in, stop lurking... Galentaliel Send a private message to Galentaliel Mar 7 2013, 5:32am
            About the bunnies... Silverlode Send a private message to Silverlode Mar 4 2013, 3:28am
        Another theory Shagrat Send a private message to Shagrat Mar 3 2013, 10:18am
            I took it as sauget.diblosio Send a private message to sauget.diblosio Mar 3 2013, 10:38am
                Yes, of course. But.... Silverlode Send a private message to Silverlode Mar 3 2013, 12:28pm
                    Thranduil Ham_Sammy Send a private message to Ham_Sammy Mar 3 2013, 1:56pm
                    Indeed... Otaku-sempai Send a private message to Otaku-sempai Mar 3 2013, 4:27pm
                        Exactly... Eleniel Send a private message to Eleniel Mar 4 2013, 7:15am
                            Well I sure wouldn't blame PJ & writers for their depiction of Thranduil Old Toby Send a private message to Old Toby Mar 4 2013, 7:45am
                    He probably used the same paths Haldir took to get to Helm's Deep. / Ataahua Send a private message to Ataahua Mar 3 2013, 6:39pm
                        Or those Elrond used to get to Dunharrow// sevilodorf Send a private message to sevilodorf Mar 4 2013, 12:55am
                            All of whom clearly have a better sense of direction than Legolas. Roheryn Send a private message to Roheryn Mar 4 2013, 2:54pm
    Nori Nunilo Send a private message to Nunilo Mar 3 2013, 10:17am
        I've never been quite sure Roheryn Send a private message to Roheryn Mar 3 2013, 10:22am
            Elven soap Bellerock Send a private message to Bellerock Mar 3 2013, 11:34am
                Just what DO dwarves smell like? Riven Delve Send a private message to Riven Delve Mar 3 2013, 7:04pm
                    You may be right... Roheryn Send a private message to Roheryn Mar 3 2013, 7:49pm
                        All in the name of science, Ro. And I'm putting a notion to the vote, BTW...so all you dwarf lovers read on! Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Mar 3 2013, 10:41pm
                            Mobbing with torches Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Mar 4 2013, 12:18am
                            ROFL, Brethil! Roheryn Send a private message to Roheryn Mar 4 2013, 9:44am
                                Amazon style pass-the-crown. excellent idea! Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Mar 4 2013, 1:33pm
                    hadn't thought of that ryouko Send a private message to ryouko Mar 3 2013, 8:02pm
                        WHAT?! Why wasn't I told about this?! Riven Delve Send a private message to Riven Delve Mar 3 2013, 8:38pm
                            well, it's not confirmed ryouko Send a private message to ryouko Mar 3 2013, 8:46pm
                                For the safety of all concerned Riven Delve Send a private message to Riven Delve Mar 3 2013, 10:08pm
                                    Cinema Ham_Sammy Send a private message to Ham_Sammy Mar 3 2013, 11:26pm
                                        Have a safe trip! Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Mar 3 2013, 11:31pm
                                Okay that's it! We need to get up a petition! Old Toby Send a private message to Old Toby Mar 4 2013, 8:04am
                                    I think we need to be a little careful what we wish for!! elaen32 Send a private message to elaen32 Mar 4 2013, 11:34am
                                        That wet shirt idea is lovely Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Mar 4 2013, 1:35pm
                                        I suspect you could get your wish: Roheryn Send a private message to Roheryn Mar 4 2013, 2:49pm
                                            In the production vlogs Riven Delve Send a private message to Riven Delve Mar 4 2013, 4:24pm
                                                Yup, it's fine to link to vlog screencaps :-) DanielLB Send a private message to DanielLB Mar 4 2013, 4:33pm
                                                    Aagh, not fair... elaen32 Send a private message to elaen32 Mar 4 2013, 4:41pm
                                                        *Throws a bucket of cold water over elaen32* DanielLB Send a private message to DanielLB Mar 4 2013, 6:26pm
                                                    That is majectic indeed, but these are even more majestic Riven Delve Send a private message to Riven Delve Mar 4 2013, 6:02pm
                                                        Just when I thought it was safe to come back... elaen32 Send a private message to elaen32 Mar 4 2013, 7:49pm
                                                    OH...... Old Toby Send a private message to Old Toby Mar 4 2013, 7:03pm
                                    You may be in line for the crown today Old Toby! Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Mar 4 2013, 1:45pm
                        Wait, WHAT?! Dwarf Cupcake Send a private message to Dwarf Cupcake Mar 3 2013, 10:37pm
                        Soiler warning. SirDennisC Send a private message to SirDennisC Mar 3 2013, 11:08pm
                            good point ryouko Send a private message to ryouko Mar 4 2013, 12:23am
                                ROTFL!! Ryouko you just made my day!!! Old Toby Send a private message to Old Toby Mar 4 2013, 12:39am
                                    *bows* ryouko Send a private message to ryouko Mar 4 2013, 12:43am
    noticed marillaraina Send a private message to marillaraina Mar 3 2013, 10:17am
    I'm really hoping for at least one more showing! alienorchid Send a private message to alienorchid Mar 3 2013, 2:30pm
        Middle-earth Messenger Service (spoilers) Riven Delve Send a private message to Riven Delve Mar 3 2013, 6:50pm
    Doing view 16 later today Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Mar 3 2013, 3:33pm
    Thranduil sevilodorf Send a private message to sevilodorf Mar 3 2013, 3:36pm
        I agree with your rebel idea Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Mar 3 2013, 3:42pm
            Oh... I like this! // grammaboodawg Send a private message to grammaboodawg Mar 19 2013, 1:50am
    Interesting Ham_Sammy Send a private message to Ham_Sammy Mar 3 2013, 3:43pm
    I had gotten the impression that Thranduil Aragalen the Green Send a private message to Aragalen the Green Mar 3 2013, 3:46pm
        But... CathrineB Send a private message to CathrineB Mar 3 2013, 5:23pm
            What is Time to the Elves? Aragalen the Green Send a private message to Aragalen the Green Mar 3 2013, 5:39pm
    Unless Ham Sammy said so in one of her top secret posts SirDennisC Send a private message to SirDennisC Mar 3 2013, 9:02pm
        Thanks ... Ham_Sammy Send a private message to Ham_Sammy Mar 3 2013, 9:35pm
            Oh that was it Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Mar 3 2013, 10:44pm
                A HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAH Ham_Sammy Send a private message to Ham_Sammy Mar 3 2013, 11:17pm
            Perhaps the Elves were Aragalen the Green Send a private message to Aragalen the Green Mar 3 2013, 11:01pm
                Thanks and yes thank you Ham_Sammy Send a private message to Ham_Sammy Mar 3 2013, 11:22pm
            Even if Thranduil had learned of Smaug before the dragon reached Erebor... Otaku-sempai Send a private message to Otaku-sempai Mar 4 2013, 4:00pm
    Okay Ham_Sammy Send a private message to Ham_Sammy Mar 3 2013, 10:42pm
    Thranduil and Wascally Wabbits Old Toby Send a private message to Old Toby Mar 4 2013, 12:35am
        Thranduil's motives Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Mar 4 2013, 12:45am
        If Thranduil had arrived sooner... Silverlode Send a private message to Silverlode Mar 4 2013, 3:22am
        Old Bilbo's narration (spoilers) Riven Delve Send a private message to Riven Delve Mar 4 2013, 2:07pm
            Bilbo always felt guilty about his free board... Eleniel Send a private message to Eleniel Mar 4 2013, 6:41pm
    I was asking the same thing Rostron2 Send a private message to Rostron2 Mar 4 2013, 8:03pm
        It was also kinda weird imin Send a private message to imin Mar 4 2013, 11:37pm
            I think its because of the gems Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Mar 4 2013, 11:59pm
                Hadn't thought of it like that imin Send a private message to imin Mar 5 2013, 12:20am
                    Thanks! Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Mar 5 2013, 3:41am
    shovels Cirashala Send a private message to Cirashala Mar 6 2013, 11:28pm
    **I've Gathered Geeky List Info from this post :) THANKS ALL! grammaboodawg Send a private message to grammaboodawg Mar 19 2013, 2:03am

 
 
 

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