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A reaffirmation of what makes cinema magical : TH s failure

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Mar 2 2013, 3:45pm


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Very interesting read:

http://blog.vincentlaforet.com/2012/12/19/the-hobbit-an-unexpected-masterclass-in-why-hfr-fails-and-a-reaffirmation-of-what-makes-cinema-magical/

I agree with almost everything he says, in particular this little piece- from another source- with regards to the over long, over the top, video game aesthetics of the violent scenes :

"Mr. Jackson has embraced what might be called theme-park-ride cinema, the default style of commercially anxious, creatively impoverished 3-D moviemaking. The action sequences are exercises in empty, hectic kineticism, with very little sense of peril or surprise. Characters go hurtling down chutes and crumbling mountainsides or else exert themselves in chaotic battles with masses of roaring, rampaging pixels. "


Theres some technical jargon but its easily understood.

Watching Lotr recently and reading articles like these only assure my belief that indeed, TH, didnt deserve any Oscars.

Maybe Make up, but those fake noses and beards ..Crazy

Vous commencez ŕ m'ennuyer avec le port!!!

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A reaffirmation of what makes cinema magical : TH s failure Lusitano Send a private message to Lusitano Mar 2 2013, 3:45pm
    It wasn't a failure... bborchar Send a private message to bborchar Mar 2 2013, 3:57pm
        I agree Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Mar 2 2013, 4:11pm
            That's a better description... bborchar Send a private message to bborchar Mar 2 2013, 4:23pm
        Nobody said everyone hated it. Lusitano Send a private message to Lusitano Mar 2 2013, 4:42pm
            This article is the same criticism we've seen before... bborchar Send a private message to bborchar Mar 2 2013, 5:07pm
            I heartily disagree with you, and with that reviewer Glorfindela Send a private message to Glorfindela Mar 2 2013, 5:42pm
            Completely Agree architecthis Send a private message to architecthis Mar 2 2013, 11:42pm
        Wasn't a failure to me either Elessar Send a private message to Elessar Mar 3 2013, 4:41am
            Agree wholeheartedly! Kimtc Send a private message to Kimtc Mar 3 2013, 4:58am
                I thought bag end looked great in HFR Ham_Sammy Send a private message to Ham_Sammy Mar 3 2013, 5:19am
                Almost convert Elessar Send a private message to Elessar Mar 3 2013, 5:21am
    Thanks for the link Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Mar 2 2013, 4:06pm
    I'm with Brethil above Ham_Sammy Send a private message to Ham_Sammy Mar 2 2013, 4:20pm
        No hes not Lusitano Send a private message to Lusitano Mar 2 2013, 4:53pm
    Yeah, must agree Tigero Send a private message to Tigero Mar 2 2013, 4:24pm
    It wasn't a failure dormouse Send a private message to dormouse Mar 2 2013, 4:33pm
        Thank you! hamlet Send a private message to hamlet Mar 2 2013, 4:49pm
        well Lusitano Send a private message to Lusitano Mar 2 2013, 5:08pm
            You are still generalizing a little bit. Escapist Send a private message to Escapist Mar 2 2013, 5:28pm
            It wasn't totally non-stop action Salmacis81 Send a private message to Salmacis81 Mar 2 2013, 6:39pm
                Exactly Ham_Sammy Send a private message to Ham_Sammy Mar 2 2013, 6:59pm
                    Agree with this, too. Arannir Send a private message to Arannir Mar 2 2013, 7:56pm
                Reality JWPlatt Mar 2 2013, 7:17pm
                    Video games and chutes and ladders Salmacis81 Send a private message to Salmacis81 Mar 2 2013, 9:34pm
                        Blue Sky JWPlatt Mar 2 2013, 9:49pm
                            Thanks for your expert opinion Salmacis81 Send a private message to Salmacis81 Mar 2 2013, 10:36pm
            hmmm... Dwarvenfury Send a private message to Dwarvenfury Mar 2 2013, 11:22pm
            The second half wasn't that bad. Even aside from the MAGNIFICENCE of Gandalf's displays of magic finally getting something of their due. AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Mar 3 2013, 2:28am
            Hear Hear! Lusitano well said. Elenorflower Send a private message to Elenorflower Mar 3 2013, 4:44pm
        It was not a failure, but the way it was unveiled and obtrusively pushed damaged the reception of the film. AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Mar 3 2013, 2:55am
    I have to agree Ardamírë Send a private message to Ardamírë Mar 2 2013, 4:48pm
        Its not Lusitano Send a private message to Lusitano Mar 2 2013, 5:10pm
            We will see. Ardamírë Send a private message to Ardamírë Mar 2 2013, 5:18pm
                Avatar JWPlatt Mar 2 2013, 5:27pm
                    Avatar 2 Ardamírë Send a private message to Ardamírë Mar 2 2013, 5:31pm
            Maybe, maybe not. Ham_Sammy Send a private message to Ham_Sammy Mar 2 2013, 5:37pm
    re: Oscars... Aragorn the Elfstone Send a private message to Aragorn the Elfstone Mar 2 2013, 4:54pm
        Many replies Lusitano Send a private message to Lusitano Mar 4 2013, 9:08pm
            I can accept that you personally disliked the second half. Escapist Send a private message to Escapist Mar 4 2013, 9:48pm
                small corrections after 10 mins Escapist Send a private message to Escapist Mar 4 2013, 10:08pm
                Anger Hug JWPlatt Mar 4 2013, 10:19pm
                    Agreed it was cringeworthy tolktolk Send a private message to tolktolk Mar 4 2013, 10:43pm
                    I am inclined to agree with this on this scene. It could have been handled much better. AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Mar 5 2013, 12:31am
                Wow! That makes ... three ... that share this opinion! Escapist Send a private message to Escapist Mar 4 2013, 11:07pm
                    Make it four :P imin Send a private message to imin Mar 4 2013, 11:18pm
                        Put me in the "it felt forced and over-done" camp, sauget.diblosio Send a private message to sauget.diblosio Mar 4 2013, 11:41pm
                    Take heart - I love the scene as well. Aragorn the Elfstone Send a private message to Aragorn the Elfstone Mar 4 2013, 11:39pm
                        Looked and felt good/fine Elessar Send a private message to Elessar Mar 5 2013, 12:57am
                            The big problem for me is... jtarkey Send a private message to jtarkey Mar 5 2013, 5:30am
                                Thorin is a bit of a jerk/snob Elessar Send a private message to Elessar Mar 5 2013, 12:10pm
                                Reasons movie gives arithmancer Send a private message to arithmancer Mar 5 2013, 2:33pm
                    Why so defensive? tolktolk Send a private message to tolktolk Mar 4 2013, 11:41pm
                        Just trying to find a creative way to make a point. Escapist Send a private message to Escapist Mar 5 2013, 12:35am
                            Nice Point Michelle Johnston Mar 5 2013, 7:25am
            Lets not get carried away with what the book achieves Michelle Johnston Mar 4 2013, 11:17pm
                I see book thorin doing all the things you listed over the course of the book imin Send a private message to imin Mar 4 2013, 11:30pm
                    Squaring the Circle Michelle Johnston Mar 5 2013, 7:13am
                        I think it comes down to a difference of how we view the book imin Send a private message to imin Mar 5 2013, 9:15am
                            Totally agree... jtarkey Send a private message to jtarkey Mar 5 2013, 10:37am
                                I think there are a lot of people here that think it's great. DanielLB Send a private message to DanielLB Mar 5 2013, 11:31am
                                Movie was great for me. Elessar Send a private message to Elessar Mar 5 2013, 12:16pm
                                    No need to be so defensive! imin Send a private message to imin Mar 5 2013, 1:15pm
                                        I didn't think I was Elessar Send a private message to Elessar Mar 5 2013, 1:59pm
                                            It's just frustrating to me jtarkey Send a private message to jtarkey Mar 5 2013, 7:17pm
                                                I understand...... Elessar Send a private message to Elessar Mar 5 2013, 9:00pm
                                I think it is a great film. I have met many who think the same. Was it a great adaptation? ? ? AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Mar 5 2013, 9:29pm
                                    Well said Elessar Send a private message to Elessar Mar 5 2013, 10:03pm
                                    Alignment Michelle Johnston Mar 5 2013, 10:27pm
                                        I agree that DoS will get a much fairer critical reception sauget.diblosio Send a private message to sauget.diblosio Mar 5 2013, 10:58pm
                                        Very true. And I especially agree AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Mar 5 2013, 11:50pm
                                    It has too many short comings to be a great film imin Send a private message to imin Mar 5 2013, 11:58pm
                                        That depends on Elessar Send a private message to Elessar Mar 6 2013, 12:51am
                                            Of course imin Send a private message to imin Mar 6 2013, 12:59am
                                                Positive vs Negative Elessar Send a private message to Elessar Mar 6 2013, 2:13am
                                        I respectfully disagree about the lack of greatness. AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Mar 6 2013, 1:07am
                                            I agree imin Send a private message to imin Mar 6 2013, 1:20am
                                                And I agree with you here, also to an extent. Lmao. AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Mar 6 2013, 2:48am
                                                    Thank you for your post imin Send a private message to imin Mar 6 2013, 2:31pm
                                                        You are welcome, and thank you as well. AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Mar 7 2013, 3:56pm
                                                You've said everything for me! Eleniel Send a private message to Eleniel Mar 6 2013, 7:45am
                                                    To be fair, there are LOTS of Fairytale elements to both Hobbit and AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Mar 6 2013, 2:08pm
                                                        Oh, yes, the Trolls' dialogue is certainly a delight... Eleniel Send a private message to Eleniel Mar 6 2013, 5:39pm
                                                            The long johns were a bit tacky. I chalk it up to AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Mar 7 2013, 3:57pm
                For the record, I have always found Waldorf and Statler, the grumpy old muppet men AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Mar 5 2013, 9:14pm
    I think that this review has strengths, weaknesses, opportunities, and threats Escapist Send a private message to Escapist Mar 2 2013, 4:58pm
    I disagree about the make up Old Toby Send a private message to Old Toby Mar 2 2013, 5:13pm
        Video Games.. glor Send a private message to glor Mar 2 2013, 8:29pm
            Yeah, that's bothered me for a long time. sauget.diblosio Send a private message to sauget.diblosio Mar 2 2013, 9:00pm
            No insult intended! Old Toby Send a private message to Old Toby Mar 2 2013, 9:31pm
                No don't apologise. glor Send a private message to glor Mar 2 2013, 9:52pm
                    Video Game JWPlatt Mar 2 2013, 10:08pm
                        JWPlatt, I've been so out of the loop... Patty Send a private message to Patty Mar 2 2013, 10:22pm
                            HFR JWPlatt Mar 2 2013, 10:36pm
                                I do think it's a valid point Ham_Sammy Send a private message to Ham_Sammy Mar 2 2013, 10:54pm
                                    Did some research Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Mar 2 2013, 11:23pm
                                        Thanks! Ham_Sammy Send a private message to Ham_Sammy Mar 2 2013, 11:34pm
                                        Seats Versus Dollars Over Time JWPlatt Mar 2 2013, 11:46pm
                                            Totally true Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Mar 3 2013, 12:07am
                                        Several difficulies with drawing conclusions from that. Silverlode Send a private message to Silverlode Mar 2 2013, 11:54pm
                                            True, Silverlode. We lack all the data Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Mar 3 2013, 12:56am
                                                I have to assume Silverlode Send a private message to Silverlode Mar 3 2013, 3:00am
                                                    Yes good point Ham_Sammy Send a private message to Ham_Sammy Mar 3 2013, 3:09am
                                                    It gives a new angle to interpreting reviews Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Mar 3 2013, 3:42am
                                                        Yes, well in some circles SirDennisC Send a private message to SirDennisC Mar 3 2013, 4:12am
                                                    I think having more time to tweak it -- SirDennisC Send a private message to SirDennisC Mar 3 2013, 4:08am
                                Thanks so much. I hope... Patty Send a private message to Patty Mar 2 2013, 10:55pm
                            No word yet about DoS in HFR Voronwë_the_Faithful Send a private message to Voronwë_the_Faithful Mar 2 2013, 10:39pm
                                Thanks, VtF... Patty Send a private message to Patty Mar 2 2013, 10:57pm
                                    I think it will be in about the same amount of theaters as sauget.diblosio Send a private message to sauget.diblosio Mar 2 2013, 11:42pm
                            Yes Owain Send a private message to Owain Mar 3 2013, 7:40pm
                                Thanks, Owain Patty Send a private message to Patty Mar 3 2013, 10:04pm
    While i agree with a lot of this, sauget.diblosio Send a private message to sauget.diblosio Mar 2 2013, 5:28pm
    It was this review mefansmum Mar 2 2013, 5:52pm
        Funny how it was the total opposite for me Súlimë Send a private message to Súlimë Mar 2 2013, 6:16pm
            Oh, and for me Glorfindela Send a private message to Glorfindela Mar 2 2013, 6:20pm
            This review did not change mefansmum Mar 3 2013, 2:19pm
        i loved TH in 3D MouthofSauron Send a private message to MouthofSauron Mar 2 2013, 10:30pm
    It definitely wasn't a failure for me Súlimë Send a private message to Súlimë Mar 2 2013, 6:11pm
    Just my 2 cents.. Verbal_Daggers Send a private message to Verbal_Daggers Mar 2 2013, 7:33pm
    This article is spot on jtarkey Send a private message to jtarkey Mar 2 2013, 9:16pm
        You say that as if... Aragorn the Elfstone Send a private message to Aragorn the Elfstone Mar 2 2013, 9:34pm
        One mans meat is another mans poison Michelle Johnston Mar 2 2013, 10:25pm
            In the end Ham_Sammy Send a private message to Ham_Sammy Mar 2 2013, 10:33pm
                The Tolkien fan in me loves the film... jtarkey Send a private message to jtarkey Mar 2 2013, 11:13pm
                    That makes total sense Ham_Sammy Send a private message to Ham_Sammy Mar 2 2013, 11:23pm
                        The best example of what the whole film should have felt like jtarkey Send a private message to jtarkey Mar 2 2013, 11:57pm
                            i loved that. Absolutely. Ham_Sammy Send a private message to Ham_Sammy Mar 3 2013, 12:13am
                Investment of negative energy Michelle Johnston Mar 3 2013, 6:18am
                    The fiercer the love, the fiercer the fury in dissapointment can sometimes be. AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Mar 3 2013, 6:54am
                        Reservations I had a few Michelle Johnston Mar 3 2013, 8:02am
                            My thanks to you. AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Mar 3 2013, 5:07pm
                    Tarantino JWPlatt Mar 3 2013, 2:30pm
                        I don't get all the Tarantino hate. sauget.diblosio Send a private message to sauget.diblosio Mar 3 2013, 3:17pm
                            I don't care for his movies/style Ham_Sammy Send a private message to Ham_Sammy Mar 3 2013, 3:32pm
                        Aestheticization of violence Michelle Johnston Mar 4 2013, 9:05pm
                            Interesting Lusitano Send a private message to Lusitano Mar 4 2013, 9:15pm
            Wonder and awe in Middle Earth burrahobbit Send a private message to burrahobbit Mar 3 2013, 1:15pm
                I re-watched (is that a word?) FOTR last night Old Toby Send a private message to Old Toby Mar 4 2013, 6:59pm
                    Qualifiers JWPlatt Mar 4 2013, 9:09pm
                        wow, your entire first paragraph Old Toby Send a private message to Old Toby Mar 4 2013, 11:08pm
                            Concisity JWPlatt Mar 4 2013, 11:28pm
                Clarification Michelle Johnston Mar 4 2013, 8:58pm
        yes I think you are spot on Elenorflower Send a private message to Elenorflower Mar 3 2013, 4:56pm
            I never did Elenorflower Send a private message to Elenorflower Mar 3 2013, 5:26pm
                Poor Elenor Ardamírë Send a private message to Ardamírë Mar 3 2013, 6:23pm
                    ha ha! yep Elenorflower Send a private message to Elenorflower Mar 3 2013, 6:28pm
                        Oh I'm sure it did! // Ardamírë Send a private message to Ardamírë Mar 3 2013, 6:42pm
            Strongly disagree Glorfindela Send a private message to Glorfindela Mar 3 2013, 6:16pm
                It's not "simply incorrect" at all jtarkey Send a private message to jtarkey Mar 3 2013, 7:46pm
                    That was not my experience at all Ham_Sammy Send a private message to Ham_Sammy Mar 3 2013, 8:12pm
                        Just goes to show how different the same film can be for people jtarkey Send a private message to jtarkey Mar 3 2013, 8:22pm
                            So very very true Ham_Sammy Send a private message to Ham_Sammy Mar 3 2013, 8:24pm
                        Ditto Elessar Send a private message to Elessar Mar 3 2013, 9:24pm
                            Exactlyl right Ham_Sammy Send a private message to Ham_Sammy Mar 3 2013, 10:35pm
                                Agreed Glorfindela Send a private message to Glorfindela Mar 3 2013, 11:12pm
                                Going to be fantastic Elessar Send a private message to Elessar Mar 3 2013, 11:24pm
                            Agree about movie Thorin Salmacis81 Send a private message to Salmacis81 Mar 4 2013, 4:32pm
                    I agree about Martin Freeman Elenorflower Send a private message to Elenorflower Mar 3 2013, 8:59pm
                        I have an issue with that scene as well... dik-dik Send a private message to dik-dik Mar 3 2013, 9:17pm
                        No he didn't true. Ham_Sammy Send a private message to Ham_Sammy Mar 3 2013, 9:27pm
    Flawed, yes. But failure? Otaku-sempai Send a private message to Otaku-sempai Mar 2 2013, 9:32pm
    I understand what this person is getting at in the article imin Send a private message to imin Mar 2 2013, 11:36pm
        You hit the nail on the head! jtarkey Send a private message to jtarkey Mar 2 2013, 11:50pm
            Exact opposite for me... Aragorn the Elfstone Send a private message to Aragorn the Elfstone Mar 2 2013, 11:55pm
                It is strange how we view things differently imin Send a private message to imin Mar 3 2013, 12:30am
                    Hmmm? So which type of subjectivity ...? Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Mar 3 2013, 1:00am
                        I think the emotional engagement in the film imin Send a private message to imin Mar 3 2013, 1:37am
                            I had a feeling we would agree Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Mar 3 2013, 2:06am
                                Oh no, how terribly predictable of me! :P imin Send a private message to imin Mar 3 2013, 2:13am
                                    Interesting? Indeed - we always find things to discuss! Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Mar 3 2013, 2:35am
    In your humble opinion Lindele Send a private message to Lindele Mar 3 2013, 7:28am
    Viewing #13 for me today. . . kareniel Send a private message to kareniel Mar 3 2013, 1:05pm
    I agree with that article 100% Elenorflower Send a private message to Elenorflower Mar 3 2013, 4:04pm
    It's one opinion, but that's all it is. Rostron2 Send a private message to Rostron2 Mar 4 2013, 6:58pm

 
 
 

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