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Nothing quite adds up....

noWizardme
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Mar 2 2013, 8:01am


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Nothing quite adds up.... [In reply to] Can't Post

...Which of course is what makes it fun to speculate.
At this point I the tale were still in the buildup to open action. The scrabble is to uncover information about the ring, while denying information to rival powers.

As you say, CuriousG, if Sauron was springing Gollum, he seems to do a poor job of monitoring his predictably unreliable agent later. Though perhaps that is not too incredible- Sauron's forces may still be thin on the ground that far west. And loyalty among his forces always seems a problem for him: the intelligent ones are far too prone to have independent schemes. So maybe the master plan miscarried because someone didn't get the memo, or suppressed it to further their own schemes. Or perhaps (Utterly Untestable Theory) the plan is that if Gollum gets the ring he'll betray himself: for example in a crazed and easily countered attempt to become the new Dark Lord. That seems a bit weak though: what did Gollum do with the ring last time? Just sneaking.

There's a bit in favour of a Saruman theory. Sauron and Gandalf have both interrogated Gollum by this point; Saruman is the only power scrabbling for the ring at this point not to have questioned him. Gollum's escape seems to have been on a summer night- so about the time when Saruman is tricking Gandalf into visiting Orthac, or already has him captive there. So Saruman is probably already sunk low enough for such schemes, and is too suspicious and jealous to expect to lead about Gollum from Gandalf. Saruman theory has to suppose that the orcs make off towards Dol Gildur as either a deception (make it look like Sauron's work) or by co-incidence. And then Gollum has to escape from the orcs, or surely he'd end up at Isenguard. A further weakness is that a Saruman theory supposes Saruman must know enough about Gollum to go for him. How did he find this out? Or is he merely keeping tabs on Gandalf, and wants whatever Gandalf has been playing with, whether its pipe weed or prisoners.

A freelance effort is an even more speculative theory: to want to capture Gollum you probably need to know a lot about the history of the ring already. I can just about imagine Saruman or Sauron trying to work through a client Orc princeling who decides that Gollum must somehow be important, and so decides to nab him himself. Pretty similarly, maybe the Captain of the Dol Guldur garrison has a miscarried attempt at initiative....

Who else is concerned with Gollum's whereabouts and freedom. Well, the Valar might be: one could argue that they perceive he's needed for the destruction of the ring and so do something to aid his escape. But "because the Valar willed it" explanations seem like no explanations to me: might as well say "Because the author willed it."

I'm out of theories after that!

I hadn't thought before about why Gollum is taken to Mirkwood of all the options. We hear that Gandalf hopes Gollum might still be cured, and perhaps elves are the best hope for that. Maybe we end up with Mirkwood by elimination: Rivendell too far away, and Lorien being reluctant to unseal its borders? Why not take him to Gondor or Rohan? That would involve a lot if explaining: maybe a big risk given that it later turns out that Denethor would like the Ring for himself, and that Theoden's court has been infiltrated by Sarumans agents. Sending Gollum to Edoras results in Saruman getting him, I expect. Not sure what happens if he's in Denethor's dungeons - an attempt to get the ring? An earlier siege of Minas Tirith?

Disclaimers: The words of noWizardme may stand on their heads! I'm often wrong about things, and its fun to be taught more....
Feel free to meddle in the affairs of noWizardMe by agreeing or disagreeing (politely...) with my posts! I may not be subtle, but at least I'm usually slow to anger...

Subject User Time
Gollum escapes them all noWizardme Send a private message to noWizardme Mar 1 2013, 10:05pm
    My theory CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Mar 1 2013, 10:29pm
        Nothing quite adds up.... noWizardme Send a private message to noWizardme Mar 2 2013, 8:01am
            the Mirkwood Minutemen PhantomS Send a private message to PhantomS Mar 3 2013, 9:50am
    Rescuing Gollum wasn't the intention Mim Send a private message to Mim Mar 3 2013, 10:19am
        Legolas thought it was FarFromHome Send a private message to FarFromHome Mar 3 2013, 3:27pm
            Fiasco rather than rescue? noWizardme Send a private message to noWizardme Mar 3 2013, 3:37pm
                It's only a fiasco FarFromHome Send a private message to FarFromHome Mar 3 2013, 4:59pm
                    True! Success for any rescue (as opposed to capture or recapture). Fiasco for the elves.// noWizardme Send a private message to noWizardme Mar 3 2013, 5:30pm
                        vote for your favourite theory! noWizardme Send a private message to noWizardme Mar 3 2013, 6:44pm
            Legolas asks the right question Mim Send a private message to Mim Mar 3 2013, 11:54pm
                Yes we only have Legolas' guesswork here FarFromHome Send a private message to FarFromHome Mar 7 2013, 10:02am
    Mirkwood vs Lorien as a Gollum Prison sevilodorf Send a private message to sevilodorf Mar 5 2013, 2:14am
        Lorien is a closed realm. Elizabeth Send a private message to Elizabeth Mar 5 2013, 8:27am
            Mirkwood was always the intended prison, it seems FarFromHome Send a private message to FarFromHome Mar 5 2013, 10:19am

 
 
 

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