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The so-called 'Nazgul Theme'

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Feb 26, 1:06pm


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A post by Brethil prompted this, but I thought it deserved it's own thread since this seems to be a common misconception all over the web. And I can't believe no one has brought this up before. The first time I watched Thorin unleash the majesty (yeah, those crazy tumblr gifs are awesome), I vaguely recognized the vocals... but I wasn't put off because vocal chanting was quite common throughout the score of the previous trilogy. Howard Shore likes to put variations on a theme, so I simply stored the observation away and enjoyed the remix and the moment. Afterwards, I l read the complaints with some amusement because I knew I had heard the remixed track in the previous movies, but I was also adamant that it was not during the Weathertop incident. I decided to keep an ear out for it during my LoTR marathon, and I didn't have to wait long for it.

The much debated remix track is almost the exact same piece (action beats and all) that plays during the Battle of Dagorlad at the beginning of in FoTR. Yes, you read that right. The Nazgul are nowhere in sight when we first hear this music. Stop and think about that for a moment please. The Battle of Dagorlad was a.... SHOWDOWN! Yes, a showdown to end all showdowns in Middle-earth. Which it absolutely did not accomplish in the long run, but that's beside the point. :)

So 'Charge of the Thorin Brigade', as I like to call it, is actually a showdown theme, and not the so-called Nazgul theme at all! The Nazgul don't really have a set theme (instrumental or vocal) as far as I can tell. Sometimes there are chants when they appear on screen, but the voice pitch and background instrumentals are always different. There is a hint of the Weathertop chant when a Black Rider passes over the Dead Marshes, but that's the last we hear of it for the rest of LoTR. And the reason we hear it then is because Frodo is having a flashback about the Weathertop incident...

Uh, yeah, that's it! Anyone else have any thoughts on this?

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The so-called 'Nazgul Theme' axecrazy Send a private message to axecrazy Feb 26, 1:06pm
    The same theme plays in FoTR... Aragalen the Green Send a private message to Aragalen the Green Feb 26, 1:12pm
        Forgot that part axecrazy Send a private message to axecrazy Feb 26, 1:41pm
            Yes, different but similar Aragalen the Green Send a private message to Aragalen the Green Feb 26, 1:53pm
    Hmmm... Brego93 Send a private message to Brego93 Feb 26, 1:13pm
        Beginning to see credit in the zombie-Azog theories AshNazg Send a private message to AshNazg Feb 26, 1:17pm
            Still sounds farfetched and ridiculous // Xanaseb Send a private message to Xanaseb Feb 26, 1:24pm
                I second that Rostron2 Send a private message to Rostron2 Feb 26, 4:43pm
            Wouldn't that be weird, though? Macfeast Send a private message to Macfeast Feb 26, 3:51pm
                Agreed Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Feb 26, 6:16pm
                "Thorin being stubborn and wrong" seems much more likely Roheryn Send a private message to Roheryn Feb 26, 8:58pm
                    Agree Ham_Sammy Send a private message to Ham_Sammy Feb 26, 11:22pm
                        Everything about Azog bugged me... sauget.diblosio Send a private message to sauget.diblosio Feb 27, 12:06am
                        Bolg and Azog arithmancer Send a private message to arithmancer Feb 27, 1:32am
                            That's fair... sauget.diblosio Send a private message to sauget.diblosio Feb 27, 1:46am
                                Agreed! arithmancer Send a private message to arithmancer Feb 27, 1:46pm
                    Orcish fea... Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Feb 27, 12:31am
                        So, is it true what they say about Dwarves: Roheryn Send a private message to Roheryn Feb 27, 6:41am
                            (Uncontrollable giggling...........!) Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Feb 27, 5:29pm
            Azog being "reanimated" Salmacis81 Send a private message to Salmacis81 Feb 26, 3:58pm
                The evidence for it... AshNazg Send a private message to AshNazg Feb 26, 7:58pm
                    For all of PJ and Weta's renoune attention to detail, sauget.diblosio Send a private message to sauget.diblosio Feb 26, 8:03pm
                        PJ doesn't have attention to detail AshNazg Send a private message to AshNazg Feb 26, 8:09pm
                            What is this based on? / DanielLB Send a private message to DanielLB Feb 26, 8:12pm
                                Return of the King, King Kong and Lovely Bones... AshNazg Send a private message to AshNazg Feb 26, 8:21pm
                                    That's not solely down to PJ though, is it? DanielLB Send a private message to DanielLB Feb 26, 8:26pm
                            No, none at all. Roheryn Send a private message to Roheryn Feb 27, 12:01am
                        Eh? axecrazy Send a private message to axecrazy Feb 26, 8:12pm
                            Yes you are correct Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Feb 26, 8:21pm
                                Pretty sure it's just reflection... AshNazg Send a private message to AshNazg Feb 26, 8:26pm
                                    In any case... Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Feb 26, 8:30pm
                                        Strange thing to say. But I think I imagined this scene as orange? QuackingTroll Send a private message to QuackingTroll Feb 26, 8:37pm
                            I was talking about LotR sauget.diblosio Send a private message to sauget.diblosio Feb 26, 8:34pm
                                Oh axecrazy Send a private message to axecrazy Feb 26, 8:45pm
                                    Why is his dialogue annoying? // QuackingTroll Send a private message to QuackingTroll Feb 26, 8:49pm
                                        What was it... axecrazy Send a private message to axecrazy Feb 26, 8:53pm
    Welcome to TORn :) Earl Send a private message to Earl Feb 26, 1:59pm
        Try here: QuackingTroll Send a private message to QuackingTroll Feb 26, 2:05pm
            Thanks, but... Earl Send a private message to Earl Feb 26, 2:07pm
                I assumed they'd be the same, sorry // QuackingTroll Send a private message to QuackingTroll Feb 26, 2:09pm
                    They may be the same, I'm not really sure... Earl Send a private message to Earl Feb 26, 2:12pm
                    I focused on that in one viewing... Arannir Send a private message to Arannir Feb 26, 2:53pm
        Thanks axecrazy Send a private message to axecrazy Feb 26, 2:45pm
            That grin was pure evil wasn't it!? Earl Send a private message to Earl Feb 26, 2:52pm
    I must admit Glorfindela Send a private message to Glorfindela Feb 26, 2:05pm
        I think it's fine, too Angharad73 Send a private message to Angharad73 Feb 26, 2:46pm
    I brought this up a couple months ago Lindele Send a private message to Lindele Feb 26, 2:23pm
        I brought this up a couple months ago and some more times... Lieutenant of Dol Guldur Send a private message to Lieutenant of Dol Guldur Feb 26, 4:57pm
            Ah ha... axecrazy Send a private message to axecrazy Feb 26, 7:47pm
            Well stated Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Feb 26, 8:05pm
    Barliman Butterbur... Oin's parasite Send a private message to Oin's parasite Feb 26, 3:22pm
        I want a Teddy Beorn... Esmeralda Send a private message to Esmeralda Feb 26, 5:14pm
            You can have your Teddy Beorn... Roheryn Send a private message to Roheryn Feb 26, 11:51pm
                Very well, then I would like Esmeralda Send a private message to Esmeralda Feb 27, 4:50am
                    A threesome! Roheryn Send a private message to Roheryn Feb 27, 6:46am
    Welcome Axecrazy! Thanks for joining us! Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Feb 26, 3:32pm
    The fact it has to be explained imin Send a private message to imin Feb 26, 11:53pm
        Agree wholeheartedly Lio Send a private message to Lio Feb 27, 12:28am
    Unleash the majesty! Roheryn Send a private message to Roheryn Feb 27, 12:44am
        My reaction was the total opposite to yours during this scene imin Send a private message to imin Feb 27, 12:59am
        yes we do not have all the pieces. glor Send a private message to glor Feb 27, 1:17am
    Just a couple of thoughts Magpie Send a private message to Magpie Feb 27, 1:20am
        I love it when you weigh in on the music, Magpie. Roheryn Send a private message to Roheryn Feb 27, 2:55am
            I've come to realize... Magpie Send a private message to Magpie Feb 27, 5:29am
                You have every right to feel protective! Roheryn Send a private message to Roheryn Feb 27, 8:21am
                Beautiful labor of love Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Feb 27, 5:23pm
    From Doug Adams book "The Music of the Lord of the Rings" Elizabeth Send a private message to Elizabeth Feb 27, 6:42am
        I guess I'm the one with misconceptions. axecrazy Send a private message to axecrazy Feb 27, 7:57am
    I call it the "Dire Situation" theme :) Súlimë Send a private message to Súlimë Feb 27, 7:05am
        "You SHALL!.. not MESS... With our Maggie May!"...Bomby// Bombadil Send a private message to Bombadil Feb 27, 10:03am
            Nor with RO!.. nor with LIZ..tOo! Bombadil Send a private message to Bombadil Feb 27, 2:15pm
        My husband used to sing... Magpie Send a private message to Magpie Feb 28, 1:00am
            Glad I'm not alone :P Súlimë Send a private message to Súlimë Feb 28, 6:24am
    good point... andwise Feb 27, 2:57pm
    Gah axecrazy Send a private message to axecrazy Feb 27, 6:27pm
        Don't feel bad Axecrazy! Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Feb 27, 7:22pm
        No, don't do that! Roheryn Send a private message to Roheryn Feb 27, 7:44pm
            Oh, I'm still around. axecrazy Send a private message to axecrazy Feb 27, 8:14pm
                If you're a serious fan of Shore's music... Elizabeth Send a private message to Elizabeth Feb 27, 10:33pm
                    He may be an expert axecrazy Send a private message to axecrazy Feb 27, 10:41pm
                you have a lot of catching up to do! Magpie Send a private message to Magpie Feb 28, 1:11am
    One thing I discovered about soundtrack music Aragalen the Green Send a private message to Aragalen the Green Feb 28, 2:00am
        Here's a question cats16 Send a private message to cats16 Feb 28, 2:06am
            I've noticed something similar (we need Magpie! :) Aragalen the Green Send a private message to Aragalen the Green Feb 28, 3:01am
                You bet! // cats16 Send a private message to cats16 Feb 28, 5:01am

 
 
 

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