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Exactly.

AinurOlorin
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Feb 20 2013, 11:20pm


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Exactly. [In reply to] Can't Post

Precisely my concern, and I could hardly have said it better.

Also, Michelle, while Tolkien may not have had all the pieces to the puzzle at the time of The Hobbit, this adaptation is of The Hobbit in context with and with full knowledge of the larger Legendarium. . . wlese, Galadriel would not even appear in it, after all.

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Interesting word...if you take def. 3 below, that Gandalf is serving to promote an end, then yes, it is right. His humbleness and self-effacing nature, is one of the reasons Manwe felt it most appropriate that he should go.

But PJ is in danger of crossing the fine line between that and making him appear to fit the other two definitions...



Subservient Adj. 1. subordinate in capacity or function. 2. Obsequious; servile. 3. Useful as a means or an instrument; serving to promote an end.


"Hear me, hounds of Sauron, Gandalf is here! Fly if you value your foul skins, I will shrivel you from tail to snout if you step within this circle!"

"Do not be to eager to deal out death in judgement. Even the very wise cannot see all ends."

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Gandalf, Radagast (the Istari in general) and Galadriel, going forward. Hoping Phillipa Boyens et al remember that The Lady is sacred, but the Wizards Divine. AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Feb 20 2013, 2:54pm
    Too late for that stoutfiles Send a private message to stoutfiles Feb 20 2013, 3:53pm
        It can be amended, or at least not exacerbated. AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Feb 20 2013, 4:04pm
        Galadriel billzy2 Send a private message to billzy2 Feb 21 2013, 2:15am
    Agreed JWPlatt Feb 20 2013, 4:31pm
        is their power relative... elevorn Send a private message to elevorn Feb 20 2013, 5:18pm
            Their power was masked, but still accessible... Eleniel Send a private message to Eleniel Feb 20 2013, 6:08pm
                All of your points make sense... elevorn Send a private message to elevorn Feb 20 2013, 6:12pm
                    subservient... Eleniel Send a private message to Eleniel Feb 20 2013, 7:01pm
                        Exactly. AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Feb 20 2013, 11:20pm
                            The Iceberg Techique and Social Etiquette Michelle Johnston Feb 21 2013, 7:03am
                                We do agree on many of these points. And perhaps most of all how wrong that business with The Witch-King was AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Feb 21 2013, 11:15pm
                    I don't think any are suggesting, and certainly I am not, that their should be a complete role reversal, AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Feb 20 2013, 11:17pm
            Fail utterly is far too strong a turn. AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Feb 20 2013, 11:09pm
        Limited but not absent. Their powers were still beyond those of mortal men, even kings, and beyond AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Feb 20 2013, 10:59pm
    I agree MorgolKing Send a private message to MorgolKing Feb 20 2013, 5:33pm
    Divinity wrapped in humbleness Michelle Johnston Feb 20 2013, 6:50pm
        Agree with this. Arannir Send a private message to Arannir Feb 20 2013, 8:32pm
            In this one instance, it is not so much a matterof him appearing weak, as of the roles and relationships being misconstrued. AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Feb 20 2013, 11:39pm
                I am aware of all this... Arannir Send a private message to Arannir Feb 21 2013, 7:03am
    ... TFP Send a private message to TFP Feb 20 2013, 8:21pm
    I didn't really see Gandalf as being subservient to Galadriel Aragalen the Green Send a private message to Aragalen the Green Feb 21 2013, 12:27am
        How's this for an idea? The Mirror off Galadriel.. Bombadil Send a private message to Bombadil Feb 21 2013, 9:22am
    Ganfalf - The Humble Servant of Middle Earth Black Breathalizer Send a private message to Black Breathalizer Feb 22 2013, 4:58pm
        Can you cite writing ElendilTheShort Send a private message to ElendilTheShort Feb 22 2013, 7:21pm
            Very well said. AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Feb 22 2013, 11:31pm
        Rather wrong on several points, I fear. AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Feb 22 2013, 11:26pm
    Who are these people ? Michelle Johnston Feb 22 2013, 5:09pm
    The Wizards are Like Guardian Angels IdrilofGondolin Send a private message to IdrilofGondolin Feb 23 2013, 12:11am

 
 
 

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