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AinurOlorin
Valinor
Feb 20, 2:54pm
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Gandalf, Radagast (the Istari in general) and Galadriel, going forward. Hoping Phillipa Boyens et al remember that The Lady is sacred, but the Wizards Divine.
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Yes, it is still on my mind. Never left it really, and the notion of Radagast in the presence of The Lady alongside Gandalf stirred the thought anew.
As I mentioned before, there were places in the first film where Galadriel's relating to Gandalf seemed to tilted. In some places it was perfect and moving, but in others he seemed to be taking his cues from her at best, and one sided direction at worst.
This is not some manner of anti-female sentiment on my part. I LOVE Galadriel and I have generally loved the way Cate has portrayed her. Ever since she played Elizabeth I thought she was great for the role. I thought she was perfectly portrayed in the Rings films, and her interactions with Frodo, Aragorn, Legolas, Boromir, Gimli and the rest was without flaw. It is proper that all of them should have regarded her as sainted and holy, both powerful and wise beyond their reckoning.
It should not be so with any of the Istari. Of course they should be enchanted by her beauty and respectful of her power and wisdom. . . but none of them, not even Radagast, should be made to seem overwhelmed, overawed, subserviant or out of their depth in her presence. They should take counsel from her, but they should also render counsel to her.
I hope that in the upcoming film Gandalf will be seen giving advice to her as much as taking it. Perhaps, once Sauron's threat is known, she will still be hesitant to strike what might be a costly blow, wondering if the power of The Elves might not be sufficient to withstand Sauron without going forth to assail him directly. Gandalf (in keeping with the existing lore of the films) might warn her against the danger of waiting for Sauron's power to grow, and also remind her of the alliances the Enemy might use. " A dragon in Erebor. . . and in Moria a Demon and former captain of Morgoth, even as was Sauron himself! For all the power of Lord Elrond, can Rivendell withstand the assault of a great dragon? Are even the fences of Galadriel certain to repel the fell might and sorcery of a Balrog of Morgoth, should Sauron manage to rally so dreadful a terror to his cause? All evil things are repairing to his aid, and among them are Dark Powers such as even the High-Elves might fear to face. . ." You know. Something like that, then they consult the Mirror etc. Etc.
I don't expect or desire to see Galadriel courtseying to them. Just a more balanced interaction and mutual reverance. Galadriel is mighty and wonderful, but the film team needs still to remember that she is Galadriel, not Melain, Yavanna, Nienna or Varda.
"Hear me, hounds of Sauron, Gandalf is here! Fly if you value your foul skins, I will shrivel you from tail to snout if you step within this circle!"
"Do not be to eager to deal out death in judgement. Even the very wise cannot see all ends."
(This post was edited by AinurOlorin on Feb 20, 2:58pm)
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Gandalf, Radagast (the Istari in general) and Galadriel, going forward. Hoping Phillipa Boyens et al remember that The Lady is sacred, but the Wizards Divine.
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AinurOlorin
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Feb 20, 2:54pm
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Too late for that
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stoutfiles
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Feb 20, 3:53pm
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It can be amended, or at least not exacerbated.
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AinurOlorin
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Feb 20, 4:04pm
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Galadriel
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billzy2
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Feb 21, 2:15am
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Agreed
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JWPlatt
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Feb 20, 4:31pm
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is their power relative...
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elevorn
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Feb 20, 5:18pm
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Their power was masked, but still accessible...
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Eleniel
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Feb 20, 6:08pm
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All of your points make sense...
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elevorn
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Feb 20, 6:12pm
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subservient...
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Eleniel
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Feb 20, 7:01pm
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Exactly.
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AinurOlorin
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Feb 20, 11:20pm
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The Iceberg Techique and Social Etiquette
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Michelle Johnston
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Feb 21, 7:03am
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We do agree on many of these points. And perhaps most of all how wrong that business with The Witch-King was
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AinurOlorin
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Feb 21, 11:15pm
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I don't think any are suggesting, and certainly I am not, that their should be a complete role reversal,
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AinurOlorin
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Feb 20, 11:17pm
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Fail utterly is far too strong a turn.
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AinurOlorin
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Feb 20, 11:09pm
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Limited but not absent. Their powers were still beyond those of mortal men, even kings, and beyond
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AinurOlorin
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Feb 20, 10:59pm
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I agree
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MorgolKing
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Feb 20, 5:33pm
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Divinity wrapped in humbleness
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Michelle Johnston
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Feb 20, 6:50pm
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Agree with this.
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Arannir
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Feb 20, 8:32pm
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In this one instance, it is not so much a matterof him appearing weak, as of the roles and relationships being misconstrued.
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AinurOlorin
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Feb 20, 11:39pm
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I am aware of all this...
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Arannir
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Feb 21, 7:03am
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TFP
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Feb 20, 8:21pm
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I didn't really see Gandalf as being subservient to Galadriel
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Aragalen the Green
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Feb 21, 12:27am
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How's this for an idea? The Mirror off Galadriel..
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Bombadil
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Feb 21, 9:22am
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Ganfalf - The Humble Servant of Middle Earth
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Black Breathalizer
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Feb 22, 4:58pm
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Can you cite writing
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ElendilTheShort
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Feb 22, 7:21pm
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Very well said.
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AinurOlorin
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Feb 22, 11:31pm
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Rather wrong on several points, I fear.
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AinurOlorin
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Feb 22, 11:26pm
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Who are these people ?
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Michelle Johnston
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Feb 22, 5:09pm
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The Wizards are Like Guardian Angels
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IdrilofGondolin
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Feb 23, 12:11am
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