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BoFA and the Wargs as an Army (minor book spoilers)


Feb 18 2013, 11:43pm

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BoFA and the Wargs as an Army (minor book spoilers) Can't Post

I know this is looking forward a bit, but I've been wondering how the Wild Wolves will be portrayed in the final battle. (Of course, I'm assuming the Battle of the Five Armies will be mentioned by name, and that the armies will be the same as those in the book. That is, Elves, Men, Dwarves, Goblins, and Wolves.) So far we've only seen the Wargs as mounts for Orcs so I wonder if/how they will be made to stand out as a separate army. The movies seem to be staying away from the "talking animals" angle, but we know that they can still be depicted as intelligent as has been done with the Eagles.

So, does everyone think the Wargs will have their own army, or just be mixed in with the Orcs? I'm guessing the latter is more likely based on their portrayal so far, but them having their own army opens some interesting possibilities. Like, who would be their leader? Azog's White Warg perhaps?

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Feb 19 2013, 4:11am

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wild wargs of the woods..... [In reply to] Can't Post

When Tolkien wrote The Hobbit, wolves, from the European (and European descended American) viewpoint were still The Big Bad Wolf. (Native Americans saw them as leaders, teachers, and folk to be emulated).

Somewhat later, we are better versed in field biology and natural sciences, so Wolf has become a symbol of the vanishing wild. So I bet no real wolves anywhere as villains in Middle Earth (note Bofur's line to Bilbo's "Is that a wolf?" "No, that is not a wolf!") as if we are making a point of separating the corrupted beings (orcs, wargs, trolls) from the natural ones designed by the Creator (elves, wolves, ents) .

We've already seen some of the wargs acting on their own in AUJ. I suspect this is what we'll see more of in TABA.

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Feb 19 2013, 7:29pm

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A big gaggle [In reply to] Can't Post

Some being ridden, some just fighting alongside. The initial film didn't separate them into the pack that followed them from the mountains, later joined by the goblins, so it seems they aren't behaving as wolf packs.


Feb 19 2013, 9:36pm

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I was using the words interchangeably, but there is indeed... [In reply to] Can't Post

...a difference between Wargs and normal wolves. Sorry if this caused any confusion!

I like your idea of the Wargs being corrupted wolves, much like Orcs are corrupted Elves. I don't think the Wargs' origin is ever discussed in the books, but it seems likely!

I wonder if there will be any good wolves to counter the Wargs, maybe some acquaintances of Radagast's or even Beorn's? But perhaps that's a bit too much to fit into the movies, they already have quite a lot of not-in-the-book material. Shocked

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