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Owain
Tol Eressea


Feb 18 2013, 7:48pm

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Is there a way to view the site in English?// [In reply to] Can't Post

 

Middle Earth is New Zealand!

"Question everything, embrace the bad, and hold on to the good."


ShireHorse
Rohan

Feb 18 2013, 8:26pm

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I'm sorry if you haven't got a translator [In reply to] Can't Post

but, in my case, whenever something comes up in anything other than English. a drop-down strip at the top of the page asks me if I want a translation. This is useful although the translation is usually atrocious.

On that first link where it shows a selection of films, it says that 10,986 people have clicked to say they want to see TH, ten times more than want to see Die Hard, three times more than Judge Dredd and twice as many as Les Miserables.

On the second link, The Hobbit page, apart from general details about the film, it says that more than 11,000 people have favourited it. Then, if you look to the column to the left of TH picture, the top black strip says Overview, then Details, then Trailers. If you click on Trailers, you get a million of them including PJ's vlogs.

At the bottom of the page, you get more than a thousand reviews, only some of which, as on the IMDb board, have been written after seeing the film. But, there seems to be a lot of enthusiasm - I think. The English IS very garbled. Names of actors and characters are amusing. Orlando Bloom is referred to as "Blossoms" and RA is Richard Ami Tagg. Thorin Oakenshield is Sorin Elm.

Over on Deviant Art today, I found a Chinese girl who had produced a well-drawn picture of a "modern" Thorin wearing braids and glasses. She said that she had flown to Hong Kong so that she could see the film in advance. She had stayed three days and had seen it four times. Thorin had been the unexpected revelation for her.

Hopefully, everyone will be as enthusiastic as this young lady, LOL!


Owain
Tol Eressea


Feb 18 2013, 8:31pm

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Ah! Thanks!// [In reply to] Can't Post

 

Middle Earth is New Zealand!

"Question everything, embrace the bad, and hold on to the good."


Steven Van der Berg
Rivendell


Feb 18 2013, 8:31pm

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Here ya go. [In reply to] Can't Post

Here


Owain
Tol Eressea


Feb 18 2013, 8:34pm

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Ah! Thank you as well.// [In reply to] Can't Post

 

Middle Earth is New Zealand!

"Question everything, embrace the bad, and hold on to the good."


ShireHorse
Rohan

Feb 18 2013, 8:37pm

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Thanks, Steven. [In reply to] Can't Post

When I tried to post it in translated form, things didn't work and it transmitted the wrong page.


Steven Van der Berg
Rivendell


Feb 18 2013, 8:47pm

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Looks like it is getting released there on the same day as "Elavator Cry" [In reply to] Can't Post

with an interest rating of 1.6 ;)


(This post was edited by Steven Van der Berg on Feb 18 2013, 8:48pm)


Owain
Tol Eressea


Feb 18 2013, 8:52pm

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I think the hopes are somewhere between... [In reply to] Can't Post

$50-$100 million from China... I had read that as a projected goal awhile back.

It will be interesting to see. The New Year should help.

Middle Earth is New Zealand!

"Question everything, embrace the bad, and hold on to the good."


AinurOlorin
Half-elven


Feb 18 2013, 8:55pm

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This little sniping snippet from Box Off. Mojo tells exactly why 300 million in U.S. America was critical for THIS movie [In reply to] Can't Post

and will be for the next one as well.

"Despite dominating the end-of-year box office, The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey fell to fourth place in January with $65.7 million. Nearing the end of its run, The Hobbit has grossed $294.3 million, and it could ultimately wind up below $300 million. That's a bit of a surprise, considering all three Lord of the Rings movies made more than that, and The Hobbit had a decade of ticket price inflation and the addition of 3D/IMAX premiums working in its favor."

Meet, hateraid. For whatever reason, and there are several, there are some facets of the industry that have wanted to paint anything shy of rousing success for this movie as failure. The fact that it is estimated as having already passed 300 million as of today will not put an end to all of that, but it will choke off some of the more obnoxious derisions, by having completely turned the doom predictions that installments like these issued after the first "not as great as expected" week.

"Hear me, hounds of Sauron, Gandalf is here! Fly if you value your foul skins, I will shrivel you from tail to snout if you step within this circle!"

"Do not be to eager to deal out death in judgement. Even the very wise cannot see all ends."


Estel78
Tol Eressea

Feb 18 2013, 9:07pm

Post #85 of 165 (492 views)
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Sorry, don't see the hateraid. [In reply to] Can't Post

Nothing in that paragraph strikes me as "hateraid".


macfalk
Valinor


Feb 18 2013, 10:01pm

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It's a lock! [In reply to] Can't Post

There we have it, it's updated now on the main page of TH:AUJ on box office mojo: www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=hobbit.htm

Domestic Total as of Feb. 18, 2013: $300,160,000

Naysayers be damned, it's officially a lock.!




The greatest adventure is what lies ahead.


macfalk
Valinor


Feb 18 2013, 10:14pm

Post #87 of 165 (446 views)
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I wonder if it could take down Skyfall next. [In reply to] Can't Post

Skyfall ended its run on $303,460,116.




The greatest adventure is what lies ahead.


AinurOlorin
Half-elven


Feb 18 2013, 10:15pm

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He is right though. Leading into the era of The Rings movies you had a small handful, most tightly clutched [In reply to] Can't Post

together in either the late seventies or the early to mid 80s (or the distant past of the Silver Screen era, i.e. The Wizard of Oz). You had what? Excalibur (mediocre effects but strong on script and acting, with enough grit and sex to make it serious to the so called realists), then the hybrid mysticism/epic/sci-fi Star Wars, and a few 80s genre classics like the Henson gifts, i.e. The Dark Crystal and Labyrinth, alongside The Neverending Story, Willow and Legend, (half of which had a mediocre performance at the box office, and only really got their due on VHS and later DVD as they became cult classics for people who grew up in the 80s and their friends and scions (some of whom happened to become famous directors and writers in their own right, and helped propel the rumour and awareness of the films into later popular culture), and for genre fans. There are also a few animated gems of related nature, like The Last Unicorn. Then you had one or two mediocre genre films, from the same decade, like He-Man and Conan. And then you had a series of horrible, pitiful (by most estimations), almost painful to watch films like Beastmaster and the like. Virtually anything else you can come up with that is firmly in the genre ( I leave out some great films with supernatural creatures, as they are not really in the same genre even if they have some of the same elements) from later than 1988 or 1989, and prior to 2000 was animated (The Nightmare Before Chritsmas, Spirited Away), or badly done and a flop (see Dungeons and Dragons). The 90s was a wasteland for movies of the Sword and Sorcery Genre. I don't even think any were made, Evil Dead and The Mummy if you stretch the genre to horror movies with portions set in Epic periods? Robin Hood Prince of Theives (and Men in Tights Ha!), if you stretch it to medival times with even a touch of sorcery implied?

Then we enter the 21st century and there is an opening of the floodgates. A decision is made to film and release movies in the genre based on classics like Rings and Narnia, and on hugely sucessful series like Harry Potter, with all the willingness and care of those 80s classics, alongside the rights to material, the broader technological options and enormous funding that Jim Henson, and even George Lucas at the time, did not have. Now, there is no denying, of the films that were made, The Lord of The Rings stands head and shoulders above the rest, in large part by virtue of the awards that it garnered, being, thus far, alone amongst its kind (and amongst any of the more paranormal/supernatural leaning genres) to achieve such accolades.

Having said that, and to Arranir's point, the period between 2000 and the Hobbit release of 2012 saw all three Rings films, eight Harry Potter films, three Narnia films (the first of which, at least, was very well received and made a strong net gain at the box office), Stardust and Pan's Labyrinth. All of those films had very high production quality, all of them were well acted, and most of them, exempting perhaps the last Narnia film, had at least reasonably good scripts, and at least one or two celebrated veteran actors in the cast performing exemplary work. Thus, after an entire decade in which this genre was avoided like a known carrier of gonnereah and syphillis, and during which no one aside from Tim Burton even drew close to its borders ( an avoidance due in no small part that the previous decade had produced only a handful of really good, quality films in the genre, and only about two of those from that Handful actually did well at the box office in their initial runs), we have seen a decade plus in which EVERY single year has offered at least one, and in some cases as many as three, high end, peak production quality, well made, well acted, Blockbuster films in the genre of Enchanted Realms. They have become ubiquitous aspects of popular culture, far exceeding anything from the previous three decades.

Are their distinctions between, say, Potter and Rings? ABSOLUTELY! But the differences between the High and Low of the genre are lost on more mundane critics and audiences. . . on the damn muggles, if you will. lol. Those who casually enjoy the genre can no longer be easily overwhelmed by a good film in the genre. They can find wonder in it, but it cannot blow them away as a wholly new experience the way it once would have. Those who don't and never did care for the genre, and who can't tell Gandalf from Dumbledore, can barely tell either one of them from the older Obi Wan Kenobi, or Arwen from Bella from Susan, and might almost struggle to work out the differences between Galadriel and The White Witch or Aslan and the great, white warg, have had all they can stand of such films, and can no longer be caught off their guard by the mere fact of one having a combination of good effects, good actors and a solid script.

Thus, while a little over a decade ago (say in 1999) An Unexpected Journey, as it stands, would have stood out as a great gemstone of wonder, causing jaws to drop left, right and center, and being hailed as a wonder far surpassing The Wizard of Oz, and a great and amazing feat that everyone should rush out to see. . . now, in the wake of over a dozen high-end genre spectacles, running one after the other for nearly 13 years. . . . it gets looked at with a far cooler and more critical eye, compared to every one of the good to great films that proceeded it in this century, and inevitably not always favourably etc. etc. That, I think, is the crux of what Arannir was saying, and I think it is a valid assesment.

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Additionaly, you have people fed up with Hobbits and Wizards, you have a lot more (and also good) fantasy movies on that scale - no uniqueness anymore - etc etc.


I have a hard time coming up with many movies of its ilk. Unless you count everything with creatures or magic in it (Twilight for instance). I would argue LOTR & Hobbit are still pretty unique - sword & sorcery in a fantasy land.


"Hear me, hounds of Sauron, Gandalf is here! Fly if you value your foul skins, I will shrivel you from tail to snout if you step within this circle!"

"Do not be to eager to deal out death in judgement. Even the very wise cannot see all ends."


Old Toby
Gondor


Feb 18 2013, 10:15pm

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Hurrah and Bravo!!! [In reply to] Can't Post

SmileSmile

"Age is always advancing and I'm fairly sure it's up to no good." Harry Dresden (Jim Butcher)


AinurOlorin
Half-elven


Feb 18 2013, 10:27pm

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I think it did. I think that is part of what saved it. It had mediocre critical reviews, but as you say [In reply to] Can't Post

most of the people who went to see it were pleasantly surprised. . . and they said so, to their friends, relatives and acquaintainces. And that is the word of mouth aspect. The average film goer telling another filmgoer, "You know, I saw that Hobbit movie, and I couldn't understand why the critics were trashing it. I really enjoyed it myself." Or, for the many who barely follow critics. "Yah, saw the Hobbit and it was a pretty good watch. You should definitely check it out."

So the official reviews hurt it, but the majority of people who saw it liked it, and spread the word so that others who were on the fence took the plunge. Also, I think a lot of casual fans may have been surprised to find themselves enjoying it more than they did the prior trilogy, for its easier accessibility and lighter tone.

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quite a few friends were hesitant about seeing this due to bad reviews but most who went to see it were pleasantly surprised so i think it made $300 million despite having unfavourable word of mouth - certainly in comparison to the lord of the rings which was seemingly loved by nearly everyone when released.

I think initially (before the release) people were expecting it to get to $300 fairly easily. But once released it did seem in doubt so it has done well to get there in the end.

(i am agreeing its done well but just think maybe its done even better due to reviews).


"Hear me, hounds of Sauron, Gandalf is here! Fly if you value your foul skins, I will shrivel you from tail to snout if you step within this circle!"

"Do not be to eager to deal out death in judgement. Even the very wise cannot see all ends."


macfalk
Valinor


Feb 18 2013, 10:40pm

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Don't forget Game of Thrones [In reply to] Can't Post

Another brick in the wall of the ever-growing popularity of fantasy on film and TV.



The greatest adventure is what lies ahead.


MouthofSauron
Tol Eressea


Feb 18 2013, 10:43pm

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your right, GOT is hugely popular [In reply to] Can't Post

it was the biggest "bootlegged" tv series last year.


take me down to the woodland realm where the trees are green and the elf women are pretty, oh will you please take me home!!


AinurOlorin
Half-elven


Feb 18 2013, 10:57pm

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Right! Game of Thrones! Even more to Arannir's point, and I am ashamed to have overlooked it [In reply to] Can't Post

especially considering how in love my lady and I are with sexy, mighty, wonderful, awwww droooooool demi-goddess and dragon queen Daenerys (someone else who those who are hostile towards the genre cannot differentiate from Galadriel, crazy as that may sound to those of us who know better and more lol).

Yet, that too is an important factor. Alongside all the high end genre films, you had two seasons of an Emmy Award nominated (with actor wins), full on sex, grit and mayhem, Shakesperean drama and Greco/Roman tragic and epic show in the genre. Truly Sword and Sorcery and high quality, and mature in all apects and void of whimsey, so grim it is very difficult not to take seriously while still calling one's self a serious person. It might as well be yet another film for comparison.

Rings was akin to a large shark in a small lake. An Unexpected Journey is a large shark amidst a fair number of other large sharks in a large body of water indeed.

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i don't care about the rest...so no, i'm not fed up at all!!!


"Hear me, hounds of Sauron, Gandalf is here! Fly if you value your foul skins, I will shrivel you from tail to snout if you step within this circle!"

"Do not be to eager to deal out death in judgement. Even the very wise cannot see all ends."


entmaiden
Forum Admin / Moderator


Feb 18 2013, 11:26pm

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I really meant award-winning. [In reply to] Can't Post

The HP franchise was supposed to take all the technical awards, what with Quidditch and such. I don't remember many critics saying that Fellowship was going to be better than Potter.


Ham_Sammy
Tol Eressea

Feb 18 2013, 11:41pm

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Woo Hoo! [In reply to] Can't Post

And the fans are the little engine that could. Well not so little...PJ and the cast got the train to the station and started. The fans and viewers drove this baby down the tracks.


MasterOrc
Rivendell


Feb 18 2013, 11:44pm

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And Skyfall was.. [In reply to] Can't Post

at best a good movie. Most people I know who saw it all agreed...


Elessar
Valinor


Feb 18 2013, 11:59pm

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Sweet [In reply to] Can't Post

That's fantastic that it crossed 300 million today. It's a moment we the fans can say that a movie based on the works we loved has done really well. That despite crappy reviews by critics who looked to be negative for no real good reason (lame trilogy and 48 fps knocks) and despite constant beating of the dead horse by some fans wishing it to fail. The word of mouth this got I do believed helped it overcome those two things and I believe will help the next film do even better.



imin
Valinor


Feb 19 2013, 12:10am

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I am unsure what that has to do with BO or how much marketing it got? [In reply to] Can't Post

So far more people have been to the cinema to watch Skyfall than TH - and it seems likely that will be the case when TH ends in cinemas unless China has millions upon millions go and see TH.

If you are talking about awards or reviews - both favour Skyfall over TH.

I think WB for whatever reason just missed out on marketing TH as heavily as it perhaps needed to, or gone about it in a different way. People like us were always going to see it no matter what - its to get the undecided people in that counts.

I would also put Skyfall above TH for entertainment and just overall how good it was. It was the shock hit of the year in my opinion - over $1.1 billion, for a 2d film in October/November, incredible!


imin
Valinor


Feb 19 2013, 12:21am

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Yeah i was being stupid [In reply to] Can't Post

I think i replied back about me not really thinking my comment through, haha.

I guess i meant, despite the number of bad reviews (which actually were in the minority compared to good reviews) but relative to LOTR were much greater, it done well in the end to be closing in on a billion.

I am unsure if casual fans enjoyed it more though. Though it is very hard to say one way or the other. I don't think a lighter tone matters - TDKR did more than fine at the BO and it is way less happy than LOTR. As for accessibility again i think both TH and LOTR are accessible - the idea of something evil must be destroyed is equally as obvious as a dragon took our wealth and home, we now want to get it back. Both movies (especially FOTR and TH) are get from point A to point B with things happening to us along the journey - no split up of the fellowship etc.

Depends on how one defines enjoyment - when the avengers and dark knight rises came out there was lots of talk of how the avengers was so much more entertaining. Well for some maybe - but not for me. I found it to be boring, poorly written and acted, lacking suspense or drama, it was a big con - a completely average pop corn flick masquerading as anything but that.

Though i know what a lot of people mean when they say entertaining, it's basically, lighter tone and harmless action. Guess it just depends on what people define it as. But sometimes that's all people want - hence how the avengers, as average as it was, went on to make a killing at the box office.

As American's say - Go figure Smile


Elessar
Valinor


Feb 19 2013, 12:22am

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Skyfall was.... [In reply to] Can't Post

Awesome and I enjoyed the heck out of it. That being said for me it wasn't close to The Hobbit and only one film in 2012 could come close. That film was Lincoln which I would put in my personal top 5-10 favorite films ever. The avengers was a blast for me but its not at the level of those two for me but I do think its the best comic book movie ever.

I will agree with anyone that WB needed to market The Hobbit a little better. It wasn't bad but I thought it could have been stronger.



(This post was edited by Elessar on Feb 19 2013, 12:23am)

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