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Will Dáin be worthy of being called King? (***spoilers***, naturally)

Roheryn
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Feb 18, 7:21am


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I’ve been wondering whether we, the audience, will find Dáin sufficiently likeable by the end of Bo5A so that we don’t strenuously object to his being crowned King. (Anyone else bringing a pocketful of rotten tomatoes to TABA, just in case?) After all, he’s getting the prize that poor Thorin has worked so hard towards, for so long. Most of us are somewhere between sympathetic towards Thorin and completely in love with him. I realize that at some point we (along with Bilbo and probably a few of the other Dwarves too) are going to be wanting to give Thorin a very firm kick up his backside as he succumbs to the dragon-sickness, but he redeems himself in the end, and I think we'll forgive him just fine. It’s going to be hard accepting that he doesn’t live to fulfil the dream that has consumed him for so long, and that Dáin -- this character that we barely know – gets the ultimate prize instead.

But that problem – whether Dáin is or isn’t fit to be king in our eyes – might be the less interesting question. More interesting, perhaps, is whether Dáin will be worthy of being called king in the eyes of the surviving members of the Company. They obviously are familiar with him already, given that Dwalin asks about him in Bag End, and maybe he is someone they already know and respect. But will he be able to earn enough respect to be called their king? I wonder if Balin’s line in his narration of the Battle of Azanulbizar is actually a bit of foreshadowing (“There is one that I could call king”) – will Balin and the rest of the company be able to say the same thing of Dáin? Or will they too feel like Dáin is something of a usurper? How heroic does Dáin have to be, and can he achieve this in the Bo5A? Will the surviving members of the Company be able to follow Dáin with the same love and loyalty that they showed to Thorin, or is Thorin such a charismatic leader that they could never follow someone else with the same devotion? And will the loss of Thorin ultimately be what motivates Balin, Oín, and Ori to leave Erebor and seek Moria instead? I think this issue – whether the surviving members of the Company can and do accept Dáin as king (and if so, why) – is one that PJ needs to handle carefully, in part because he's set up so clearly how the Company feel about Thorin (i.e., he is their king not just because of birthright, but because he has earned the right to be king).

Curious to see your thoughts on this!

Subject User Time
Will Dáin be worthy of being called King? (***spoilers***, naturally) Roheryn Send a private message to Roheryn Feb 18, 7:21am
    Did you accept it in the book? imin Send a private message to imin Feb 18, 11:28am
    One way it could be handled alienorchid Send a private message to alienorchid Feb 18, 1:21pm
        This will be what makes it work Ham_Sammy Send a private message to Ham_Sammy Feb 18, 3:05pm
    Doubt it will be a problem *spoilers* arithmancer Send a private message to arithmancer Feb 18, 1:53pm
    Anything is better than Thorin stoutfiles Send a private message to stoutfiles Feb 18, 2:31pm
        Explain me why Marionette Send a private message to Marionette Feb 19, 5:52pm
            Lots of reasons stoutfiles Send a private message to stoutfiles Feb 19, 7:43pm
                We will still see 3,4 and 5. Ham_Sammy Send a private message to Ham_Sammy Feb 19, 9:24pm
                    I truly hope we don't see a racist Thorin* *Spoilers** Old Toby Send a private message to Old Toby Feb 19, 10:24pm
                        I don't want to see that either Ham_Sammy Send a private message to Ham_Sammy Feb 19, 11:03pm
                            A suggestion Old Toby Send a private message to Old Toby Feb 19, 11:44pm
                                Completely! Ham_Sammy Send a private message to Ham_Sammy Feb 19, 11:57pm
                        "'Descendent of rats,' indeed." Otaku-sempai Send a private message to Otaku-sempai Feb 20, 9:45pm
    King Dain Súlimë Send a private message to Súlimë Feb 18, 3:32pm
    It's hard to say at this point Old Toby Send a private message to Old Toby Feb 18, 4:06pm
        A clarification Old Toby Send a private message to Old Toby Feb 18, 5:00pm
            I've always felt that Bard and his people had a very good claim Bellerock Send a private message to Bellerock Feb 19, 1:21am
                I can only agree with some of what you say, Bellerock. ShireHorse Send a private message to ShireHorse Feb 19, 7:47pm
                    I agree that Bilbo pobably shouldn't have sparred with the dragon. Bellerock Send a private message to Bellerock Feb 20, 1:45am
    It depends on how this is handled in the movie Angharad73 Send a private message to Angharad73 Feb 18, 5:42pm
        Why PJ has done the dirty on Dain in AUJ is a bit of a mystery... Eleniel Send a private message to Eleniel Feb 18, 6:21pm
            Yes, I'm wondering why ShireHorse Send a private message to ShireHorse Feb 18, 7:57pm
            Good point Lio Send a private message to Lio Feb 18, 9:27pm
                I really hope it will be Thorin Old Toby Send a private message to Old Toby Feb 18, 10:18pm
    I'm not sure it even matters Rostron2 Send a private message to Rostron2 Feb 18, 9:51pm
    An uphill climb for us...and the Company Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Feb 19, 3:11am
        Shakespearean finale Old Toby Send a private message to Old Toby Feb 19, 3:44am
            RA brings a classical intensity Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Feb 19, 5:51pm
        Nice post imin Send a private message to imin Feb 19, 4:03am
            Thank you, Imin! To answer your questions Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Feb 19, 6:33pm
                Another great post :) imin Send a private message to imin Feb 20, 12:02am
                    When the book was read... *spoilers* arithmancer Send a private message to arithmancer Feb 20, 12:56am
                        That is interesting imin Send a private message to imin Feb 20, 3:37pm
                    Explains the Thorin issues...(laughing) Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Feb 20, 4:10am
                        Sounds like we are both a little bit jealous of each other, haha imin Send a private message to imin Feb 20, 3:55pm
                            Indeed! Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Feb 20, 4:52pm
        I think you summed it up... swordwhale Send a private message to swordwhale Feb 19, 4:32am
        Yes the end is going to be devastating Ham_Sammy Send a private message to Ham_Sammy Feb 19, 5:34am
            Personally... marillaraina Send a private message to marillaraina Feb 19, 8:41am
                I agree! (*spoilers* of course) Angharad73 Send a private message to Angharad73 Feb 19, 9:19am
                    Yeah marillaraina Send a private message to marillaraina Feb 19, 10:06am
                        Yep Angharad73 Send a private message to Angharad73 Feb 19, 10:39am
                            LOL! Old Toby Send a private message to Old Toby Feb 19, 3:29pm
                            Indeed Ham_Sammy Send a private message to Ham_Sammy Feb 19, 3:46pm
                                The tissue concession Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Feb 20, 4:41am
                        But surely "random" is the whole point, marillarania? ShireHorse Send a private message to ShireHorse Feb 19, 5:08pm
                            Is it really random, though? Angharad73 Send a private message to Angharad73 Feb 19, 5:59pm
                            Fan wanking IMO marillaraina Send a private message to marillaraina Feb 20, 10:41pm
        Great thoughts, Brethil. Roheryn Send a private message to Roheryn Feb 19, 11:01am
            Thanks Ro! Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Feb 19, 7:58pm
                :-) Musings... Roheryn Send a private message to Roheryn Feb 19, 11:12pm
                    That is my view as well Ham_Sammy Send a private message to Ham_Sammy Feb 19, 11:25pm
                    One license Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Feb 20, 12:44am
                    Thorin's fate **spoilers** Old Toby Send a private message to Old Toby Feb 20, 5:10am
    Dain has to become king,no matter what. Thorins_apprentice Send a private message to Thorins_apprentice Feb 19, 7:05am
    Reading the book... Marionette Send a private message to Marionette Feb 19, 10:11pm
    I think a lot of it depends on Billy Connolly's portrayal. Kimtc Send a private message to Kimtc Feb 20, 4:32am
        I've just begun to wonder ShireHorse Send a private message to ShireHorse Feb 20, 1:28pm
            This is an excellent concept! Kimtc Send a private message to Kimtc Feb 20, 2:51pm
            That's a great idea! GloryBox Send a private message to GloryBox Feb 20, 6:19pm
            It would help (spoilers) Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Feb 20, 8:34pm
                Dain as Rebuilder Ham_Sammy Send a private message to Ham_Sammy Feb 20, 8:49pm
            Oh, fantastic idea! Roheryn Send a private message to Roheryn Feb 20, 11:30pm
            Oh I like this idea! Súlimë Send a private message to Súlimë Feb 21, 8:14am
            Interesting idea. Macfeast Send a private message to Macfeast Feb 21, 1:45pm
                Your "ride of the... GloryBox Send a private message to GloryBox Feb 21, 6:08pm
    Going by Dain's words in LOTR to the Witch King emre43 Send a private message to emre43 Feb 20, 2:21pm

 
 
 

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