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A thread for the truly great Balin, son of Fundin
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Radagast-Aiwendil
Gondor


Feb 15 2013, 7:38pm

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A thread for the truly great Balin, son of Fundin Can't Post

The title says it all. Share everything and anything that you like (or even dislike) about Balin's portrayal in the film within this thread.

As I've said before more than once I can't praise Ken Stott's performance enough and he's undoubtedly my favourite Dwarf so far: full of wisdom, wit and good common sense. Even the "letter-opener" line was delivered well, though his most outstanding moment by far was the narration of Azanulbizar....I had chills, it was such a powerfully emotional scene, particularly the last part about Thorin being worthy to be called king.

"These are Gundabad Wargs! They will outrun you!"

"THESE are Rhosgobel Rabbits! I'd like to see them try...."



Owain
Tol Eressea


Feb 15 2013, 7:47pm

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Balin (Ken Stott) was indeed wonderful... [In reply to] Can't Post

a great performance from Mr. Stott.

I loved his narration of Azanulbizar as well... fantastic!

In one of his quieter moments, I really enjoyed the scene in Bag End between Thorin and Balin, discussing the need for the Quest at all. That stood out for me as well. The actors performances were so subtle and layered there.

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Middle Earth is New Zealand!

"Question everything, embrace the bad, and hold on to the good."


Silmaril
Lorien


Feb 15 2013, 7:52pm

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a dwarf with heart [In reply to] Can't Post

Impressed me much at bag end.


Angharad73
Rohan

Feb 15 2013, 7:54pm

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Oh, Balin... [In reply to] Can't Post

Ok, he is not my absolute favourite dwarf, but I have to say that there is something about him... He's got kind of a twinkle in his eye, I think. And he just seems to 'nice' - and he still is a bad-ass fighter! To me he looks like the kind of guy you confide in and turn to for advice without being judged. I love his conversation with Thorin at Bag End, when he tells Thorin that he doesn't have to do all this, that he has done enough for his people. He sees the dangers ahead, and he doesn't want his friend to go through this, but when he cannot dissuade him, he stands behind him, no matter what. I also agree on the narration of the battle of Azanulbizar - very powerful stuff!

And Ken Stott plays Balin brilliantly. It actually took me a while to figure it out why he seemed so familiar, but years ago I had a tiny bit of a crush on Stott, when he was in the TV series 'Messiah'. Blush


Radagast-Aiwendil
Gondor


Feb 15 2013, 7:57pm

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Yes, good point! [In reply to] Can't Post

Loved that bit of dialogue and top notch performances from the actors as you said. Possibly the strongest "scene-within-a-scene" in the whole Bag End sequence.

"These are Gundabad Wargs! They will outrun you!"

"THESE are Rhosgobel Rabbits! I'd like to see them try...."



Owain
Tol Eressea


Feb 15 2013, 7:58pm

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Agreed.// [In reply to] Can't Post

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Middle Earth is New Zealand!

"Question everything, embrace the bad, and hold on to the good."


Kimtc
Rohan


Feb 15 2013, 7:58pm

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I love them all, but I appreciate him the most. [In reply to] Can't Post

He is the "dwarf glue" that holds them together.

My only issue with his portrayal is that he is so wise, calm and generally smarter than the others, that I have a hard time wondering why he doesn't knock Thorin over the head. Now, I know why he doesn't, but it still seems a little at odds. He did try to sort of talk Thorin out of it at Bag End, although I still would have wanted him to hit Thorin over the head.

That said, he's great, and I also love the letter opener moment!


Radagast-Aiwendil
Gondor


Feb 15 2013, 8:06pm

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Your first two sentences sum up what I like about the character so much [In reply to] Can't Post

He seems very down-to-earth as a character despite his wisdom, and he makes mistakes at times, such as trying to stop Thorin from handing the map to Elrond and accidentally revealing the purpose of the mission to the Elf-Lord. It's nice that his gentleness towards Bilbo was explored, and subtle points such as the pat on the shoulder that Bilbo gives to Balin when he takes the Ring off convey the fact that Bilbo appreciates such friendship (especially given the attitude of Thorin and some of the others towards him).

On a side note, I hope that Dori's kindness towards Bilbo is more thoroughly explored in the next film, as it was only hinted at in AUJ.

"These are Gundabad Wargs! They will outrun you!"

"THESE are Rhosgobel Rabbits! I'd like to see them try...."



Brethil
Half-elven


Feb 15 2013, 8:15pm

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A huge heart [In reply to] Can't Post

He's so kind to Bilbo, always with a wink and a smile for him when no one else might. And he looks genuinely happy when Bilbo reappears after Goblin Town.
Love that scene in Bag End too...calling Thorin "laddie". And Ken is so subtle when RA shows him the key - you can see on his face that the Key and what it means trumps everything else in Thorin's heart and that Balin understands what Thorin needs to do, even if he might not choose it himself.
And how when Azog appears his first thought is for Thorin and how it will hurt him.
He feels like the common-sense, salt of the earth good soul of the Company, with no illusions (..not the best,,,nor brightest..).
So much to love. Hope PJ gives him a spirtual "anchoring" role in the next two films because that's really him.

...she took the point at once, but she also took the spoons.

(This post was edited by Brethil on Feb 15 2013, 8:18pm)


Owain
Tol Eressea


Feb 15 2013, 8:18pm

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Agreed or as they say on tORN, Mods up!// [In reply to] Can't Post

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Middle Earth is New Zealand!

"Question everything, embrace the bad, and hold on to the good."


sharpened_graphite
Rivendell

Feb 15 2013, 8:30pm

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Balin is the heart of the movie, [In reply to] Can't Post

no doubt about it!


Marionette
Rohan


Feb 15 2013, 8:46pm

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Loove him. I guess I like them all [In reply to] Can't Post

I wish I could have more about the dwarves in the film. Or maybe a comic book about dwarves in Erebor, just love that.

I guess Balin in the film is my favorite after Thorin.

And all the dialogues they added to Balin (and the other dwarves as well) were brilliant.


"Dear friend good bye, no tears in my eyes. So sad it ends, as it began"
Queen



(This post was edited by Marionette on Feb 15 2013, 8:49pm)


Radagast-Aiwendil
Gondor


Feb 15 2013, 8:59pm

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I agree with everything you say [In reply to] Can't Post

Particularly about the spiritual anchoring. Hopefully by the end of the trilogy he will be such a memorable character that the ultimate news of his death in FotR will be very hard to swallow, indeed.

"These are Gundabad Wargs! They will outrun you!"

"THESE are Rhosgobel Rabbits! I'd like to see them try...."



IdrilofGondolin
Rohan

Feb 15 2013, 9:41pm

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About that Moria Thing [In reply to] Can't Post

Ori goes with him. Will we begin to see the development of that relationship? Will Balin take Ori under his wing and teach him to be a grown up dwarf? I like Balin as elder statesman and counselor to Thorin. Great casting as usual.


Radagast-Aiwendil
Gondor


Feb 15 2013, 9:57pm

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I certainly hope that Balin will teach Ori a few things [In reply to] Can't Post

Because at this rate I'll be pleased about Ori's death.

Maybe there will be a development of a relationship with Oin also, who goes along but is taken by the Watcher. I'm intrigued to see more of Oin, he seems an interesting character and hopefully he'll have more screen time in DOS.

"These are Gundabad Wargs! They will outrun you!"

"THESE are Rhosgobel Rabbits! I'd like to see them try...."



(This post was edited by Radagast-Aiwendil on Feb 15 2013, 9:58pm)


ThorinIIIStonehelm
The Shire


Feb 15 2013, 10:08pm

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Agreed Radagast-Aiwendil, although... [In reply to] Can't Post

...even only after AUJ it's made me sad knowing how he will meet his end. He's just such an absolute legend of a character!!!
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Bombadil
Half-elven


Feb 15 2013, 10:11pm

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He had Bomby Totally in his grasp when... [In reply to] Can't Post

He is seen crying the morning...
after their battle..

Mister Stott has not been in any interviews
or anything else since the movie
because he is Starring in a show
in the Westend
Of London.


Nunilo
Bree

Feb 15 2013, 10:17pm

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I love Balin [In reply to] Can't Post

The fact that he comes across as so wise and always keeps his cool makes him a very dependable character, and someone you feel you could easily trust or go to for help or advice. I like that Thorin respects him greatly, even though he doesn't always listen to him. I'd like to see more of their interactions in the later films.

For some reason, I've always imagined Balin to look old and white, so the film portrayal was perfect for me! Smile He was one of the more memorable dwarves I think. And as someone said above, his eyes 'twinkle', which adds a nice spark to his character. Not only does he have a sense of humour but he observes everything going on around him and you wonder what he thinks of it all.


Angharad73
Rohan

Feb 15 2013, 10:21pm

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I agree! [In reply to] Can't Post

Even before getting to see the other two movies, which hopefully will show lots more of Balin, I already feel sad knowing that he will come to such an end in Moria. And I feel for Ori and Oin, too. But mostly Balin, really.


Nightwing
Bree

Feb 15 2013, 10:26pm

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Balin, one of the few great things about the movie [In reply to] Can't Post

Ken Stott did a wonderful job.

Philippa Boyens and Fran Walsh can't write, and Galadriel is not the most powerful being in all of Middle-earth. She is inferior to Sauron, Saruman, and Gandalf.


glor
Rohan

Feb 15 2013, 10:30pm

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yes Mr Stott [In reply to] Can't Post

Ken Stott is one of this countries (UK) finest actors. There was a piece a couple of years ago in the Sunday Times asking why he didn't have a Knighthood, and Mr Stott being interviewed and bemoaning the fact that he couldn't get a role in Harry Potter as he loves fantasyCool.

Check out his IMDB listing under personal details, you will see a list of major theatre roles as long as your arm. Check out the two BBC TV films: Toast, and also, Hancock and Joan to see something other than the usual scowling scot he plays on TV.


Radagast-Aiwendil
Gondor


Feb 15 2013, 10:37pm

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Yes he is very great indeed [In reply to] Can't Post

A shame that he is relatively unknown..but at least Rebus has done something to boost his recognition and his performance in The Hobbit could potentially put him into the top list of players as far as Hollywood and films are concerned.

"These are Gundabad Wargs! They will outrun you!"

"THESE are Rhosgobel Rabbits! I'd like to see them try...."



TheSexyBeard
Lorien

Feb 15 2013, 11:17pm

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Stott was superb [In reply to] Can't Post

Perfect casting, he brought a lot of humanity (for a dwarf!) to the role. He was pretty much amazing in every scene he featured in and his narration of Azanulbizarr was perfect. I also enjoyed his scenes with Thorin and liked that despite being made older, he was still a force to be reckoned with.

Yes, my username is terrible.


Eowyn3
Rivendell

Feb 15 2013, 11:49pm

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Ken Stott is awesome! [In reply to] Can't Post

I love his portrayal of Balin. What a talented actor he is! Balin has always been a likeable character on the book, one of my favorites. Ken Stott really develops The character in a way that makes you like him even more. He brings so much depth to Balin's character!

" He has just as much reason to go to war as you do. Why can he not fight for those he loves?"


Brethil
Half-elven


Feb 16 2013, 12:42am

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Thank you Owain! [In reply to] Can't Post

I feel like I could write pages on Balin.Smile

...she took the point at once, but she also took the spoons.

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